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xian · 04-16-2003, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Rhea
What? I am asking you to clarify if that was your purpose with your supernatural power.

Why would you "disregard" a direct question.

This is called "reflective listening". It is a method of verifying that you are both talking about the same topic. You take what you heard, put it in your own words, and ask if that is what the person meant.

If it's not what they meant, then they turn around and put it in different words back.

This iterative process helps to uncover and resolve misunderstandings. It's a wonderful tool in meaningful communication.

then lets go over this:

"So what you're saying, basically, is that you have proof that Atheists have more in common than non-belief. "

NO

"Despite, you say (without support), their claim that they have nothing in common but non-belief. "

NOPE

"That's basically what this all is about. Right?"

That would be NEGATIVE

"You have proof that anyone who makes Statement A is WRONG. "
NO

Rhea · 04-16-2003, 11:17 AM

Alrighty then. Please clarify what you meant by these staements.

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The ONLY thing atheists have in common is a nonbelief in theism. Or so they say.

Atheists claim that they cannot be classified or that they have any common philosophical positions other than the one I cited above.

I can identify atheists based upon their answers to questions that do not ask whether or not they possess belief in God.

It sounded to me a lot like you saying pretty much "Statement A" in your first two lines, and that you could prove it wrong in your third.

What part do I have wrong here, please?

xian · 04-16-2003, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Rhea
Alrighty then. Please clarify what you meant by these staements.

It sounded to me a lot like you saying pretty much "Statement A" in your first two lines, and that you could prove it wrong in your third.

What part do I have wrong here, please?

i clarified my entire intent with this post earlier in response to Jamie.

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=940119 (i dont know how to hyperlink so that it jumps to my post, but it is half way down the page)

Rhea · 04-16-2003, 11:30 AM

So you're saying you agree with me.

(!)

With the exception of you think lots of atheists go around making "Statement A"

(winces... 'kay.)

xian · 04-16-2003, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Rhea
So you're saying you agree with me.

(winces... 'kay.)

uhhh...whatever helps you sleep at night

Rhea · 04-16-2003, 11:41 AM

If you want info on the claims I made about the tendencies of Atheists,

start with Divorce Rate (The data comes from a christian research group)

Move on to MONEY

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Income appears to be inversely related to identifying oneself as a "born again Christian." We found that only 26% of those who earn at least $60K a year call themselves born again, while 44% of those who earn under $60K a year identify themselves as born again Christians. (2001)

Haven't found a recent education level one or intelligence one. But the data is out there.

Makes one wonder. Does Atheism cause intelligence, education, and prosperity?
(edited to clarify, so no one gets all in a tizzy, that was a joke.)

xian · 04-16-2003, 11:50 AM

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Income appears to be inversely related to identifying oneself as a "born again Christian." We found that only 26% of those who earn at least $60K a year call themselves born again, while 44% of those who earn under $60K a year identify themselves as born again Christians. (2001)

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Actually this is expected. One who claims to be "born again" is in agreement with the principle that seeking material wealth is not a primary purpose in life.

to be honest, i would be very disturbed, if the majority of professing born again christians were in the top 2 percent of societal wealth.

atheism on the other hand, would be more apt in my opinion to step on people in order to get to the top, grasping onto every dollar they can get their paws on.

Rhea · 04-16-2003, 11:51 AM

Bwaaa haaa haaa!!!

Yeah, I stepped all over people to get intelligence.

Just planted my boot right on their faces to get an education.

....

I'll leave the corrollary as an exercise for the reader.

Aw, heck. I'll spell it out for you.
If a group tends to have higher education and higher intelligence.
?
How do you suppose their income will line up?

No grasping hands needed.

xian · 04-16-2003, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by Rhea
Bwaaa haaa haaa!!!

Yeah, I stepped all over people to get intelligence.

Just planted my boot right on their faces to get an education.

....

I'll leave the corrollary as an exercise for the reader.

huh? You quoted nothing about education. that was strictly about earnings.

Mageth · 04-16-2003, 11:55 AM

to be honest, i would be very disturbed, if the majority of professing born again christians were in the top 2 percent of societal wealth.

I would be surprised, astounded really, since no doubt in the U.S. professing born-again xians make up much more than 2% of the population.

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04-16-2003, 11:30 AM	#144
Rhea Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Recluse Posts: 9,040	So you're saying you agree with me. (!) With the exception of you think lots of atheists go around making "Statement A" (winces... 'kay.)

04-16-2003, 11:50 AM	#147
xian Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 378	-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Income appears to be inversely related to identifying oneself as a "born again Christian." We found that only 26% of those who earn at least $60K a year call themselves born again, while 44% of those who earn under $60K a year identify themselves as born again Christians. (2001) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually this is expected. One who claims to be "born again" is in agreement with the principle that seeking material wealth is not a primary purpose in life. to be honest, i would be very disturbed, if the majority of professing born again christians were in the top 2 percent of societal wealth. atheism on the other hand, would be more apt in my opinion to step on people in order to get to the top, grasping onto every dollar they can get their paws on.

04-16-2003, 11:51 AM	#148
Rhea Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Recluse Posts: 9,040	Bwaaa haaa haaa!!! Yeah, I stepped all over people to get intelligence. Just planted my boot right on their faces to get an education. .... I'll leave the corrollary as an exercise for the reader. Aw, heck. I'll spell it out for you. If a group tends to have higher education and higher intelligence. ? How do you suppose their income will line up? No grasping hands needed.

04-16-2003, 11:55 AM	#150
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	to be honest, i would be very disturbed, if the majority of professing born again christians were in the top 2 percent of societal wealth. I would be surprised, astounded really, since no doubt in the U.S. professing born-again xians make up much more than 2% of the population.

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