TomboyMom

From a perspective of eternity, God's love is infinite.
The holocaust is a very small event when compared to eternity.

Of course, from the perspective of the poor human beings who were slaughtered, it looks a little different, but since Merlin wasn't one of them, it doesn't bother him.


All it takes is to humble yourself enough to do things God's way, rather than trying to conform Him to your way.

Got that? If you drink the Kool-Aid, you will enjoy the occasional holocaust.

Merlin

From our finite perspective.

As we are considering Jewishness, the 'holocaust' is a small event in the history of Jewish persecution.
They usually refer themselves to Job.
(a book of the Jewish Bible).


A lot more
It will come to the point that without intervention by God, all the world will die.
As it is, 1/2 the world's population will die.

ughaibu

Which brings us back to the questions
1) if death results in heaven and eternal life, why does god intervene?
2) if there's a point beyond which god won't allow things to go and will intervene, what is that point and how did god decide on it?

Gandhi the Hun

I am familiar with the book of Job, or "Joob" as I pronounce it. That story is terrible!

Hmm, please tell me more about this. How do you know half the world will die, and which half? I don't get really what you are talking about besides that it has something to do with revelation or something. In my opinion, the entire population of humans alive today will eventually die, and the race will eventually die off as well. And joo know, the earth will eventually just be engulfed by the sun..

TomboyMom

Right. From the perspective of a human being, it's a tragic atrocity. But it doesn't bug God.

Speak for yourself, gentile. We do NOT consider the holocaust to be a small event, au contraire.


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It will come to the point that without intervention by God, all the world will die.
As it is, 1/2 the world's population will die.[/QUOTE]

Nifty God they've got there, isn't it? Just chock full of love and benevolence--as long as you consider genocide a minor matter, that is.

Merlin

Death does not mean automatic eternal life in heaven.


I don't know God's mind or His ways.

Merlin

The events prophesied occur over a period of about 10 years.
2 wars.
one which 1/4 of the population dead.
Another leaving 1/3 dead.

ughaibu

There you go, god might think you're an expendable toy, a piece of snot, whatever.

Francisck

Death does not mean automatic eternal life in heaven.


I don't know God's mind or His ways.


I just found that funny

Elijah

I think a lot of the problems come from applying non personal god descriptions to personal god concepts. The genie in the sky is the casual/commoner/kids understanding of god, but anyone that spends any time in religious pursuit is going to sooner or later get into all the abstract first cause outside of time and space stuff. A god that can’t intervene because he is everywhere and nowhere. From Plato to Tao, it’s just a different ball game when talking about the creator of the universe from the genie creator stuff. The whole concept of god as a superpowered anthromorphic entity is for Far Side comic strips and kids.

As to for the giving Jesus a nod and getting into heaven (not the cartoon version with a gate and clouds). Christianity is supposed to be a big tent religion; anyone who wants in just has to say so. This is in contrast to religions that were selective or had inner circles/mysteries/requirements. The message of Christ was given to the Gentiles and no expectations are really going to be made of them (not even understanding what’s going on) except to love one another and chill until the Jews do what they are supposed to do. (Note: I’m using Jew and Gentile in the spiritual sense not literally as in Jewish and someone who isn’t Jewish.)