Abacus

Actually yguy, it was those particular parade organizers that had trouble saying no. As far as I know, none of them are participating here. Just by observing the responses whenever pedophilia has come up as a topic in the past, I would say that in general the participants on these boards are very anti-pedophilia.

You seem to be taking a "guilty until proven innocent" attitude by suggesting that any of us has should have to distance ourselves from ideologies that we were never associated with in the first place, lest you conclude that we really do agree with it. That is just plain asinine.

Bree

See, the reason he doesn't respond is because he feels empathy towards these puppybeaters (even though he does not beat puppies himself, per se) - in fact, one might even say he wishes he were engaging in these activities himself. Which explains the silence.

JamesKrieger

Yguy, they're using the same logical fallacy that you have been using in your whole argument. They're trying to get you to see that you've been committing the fallacy of the loaded question. It's also known as the complex question, or fallacy of interrogation, or fallacy of presupposition.

http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html

You presuppose an answer to another question that has not even been asked.

They're simply asking you this same type of complex question that you've been asking everyone else.

yguy

There is an alternative possibility: I know it's a capricious fabrication which doesn't have legs and will soon blow over. Likewise, if I were a homosexual who had similar confidence in the absence of any connection between homosexuality and pedophilia, I wouldn't waste my time arguing with an idiot who thought otherwise.

Fr.Andrew

(Fr Andrew): Dictionaries are sometimes wrong.
"Paiderastia, which should not be confused with pedophilia, did not involve the sexual use of children, a practice that antiquity viewed with as much horror as we do today. When men pursued younger males, those they pursued were theoretically ready for the chase--that is, they had reached puberty. Such relationships were governed by centuries of tradition handed down from father to son, ratified in an extensive philosophical, heroic, and erotic literature, and, it is claimed, ordained in law by Solon the lawgiver himself, who decreed that before marrying, a citizen had the obligation to take as a lover and pupil a younger male and train him in the arts of war and citizenship."--Byrne Fone

Pedophilia is the sexual attraction of an adult of either sex to a child. Pedophila, itself, is not illegal anymore than the an attraction for money in a bank is illegal. A pedophile who acts on his/her attraction has committed a crime.

Roland98

And yet you still don't decry puppybeating...interesting. Your silence on the issue speaks volumes.

Bree

So, was this your way of finding out which homosexuals support pedophilia and which do not - see which ones argue the loudest?

Oh please. I like this thread because it boosts my post count.

HelenM

It's worse than that...he virtually admits engaging in it in this post...

noli

Fr. Andrew-

So sorry, I cut and pasted the wrong portion of Amen's post. The definition was to clarify that pederasty means male on male, homosexuality, not heterosexuality.

One of the reasons why I posted from NAMBLA's site is to clarify precisely what was being discussed. If one doesn't know how NAMBLA percieves and defines itself, how can one object to or understand why others may tolerate what they stand for?

As to your original quote and how it relates to your response-

In this country a child is legally anyone under the age of 18. Furthermore in this country adult sex with such minors, but especially those further and further away from the age of consent, is considered abuse. So when you wrote:

"The notion that sexual contact between adults and children is always abusive is incorrect, and studies show that a great many adults who have had childhood inter-generational sexual experiences see them in a positive light."

You were indulging in a bit of ambiguity.

Because regardless of how a child perceives a sexual encounter with an adult later it is considered abuse because children are not able to give informed consent. You are redefining abuse to mean that which a child feels bad about and that is neither an appropriate legal nor psychological definition of abuse.

Roland98