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Old 06-19-2003, 10:04 AM   #1
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Question An Admin deleted this picture????

This photo got deleted in Elsewhere. The mod suggested that I move it to Morality. I did that. Then the same mod deleted and locked it again! The mod said it "might" violate the forum's obscenity rule Oh brother. "Obscenity"?

This picture is 100% legal. No nudity. No sex. It is not against the rules. Why the irrational witch-hunt deletions? This forum should be run on logic and reason, not on the bullshit whims of moderators. What if I post a picture of a boy in a swimsuit... will that be deleted?

Mods should not delete pics and lock threads because they "might" violate a rule... especially when they obviously don't. What is "obscene" about this...?

http://www.laurie-model.com/series/018.jpg

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Old 06-19-2003, 12:09 PM   #2
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Without a link to the topic where you posted it, there is little that I can say or do.
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Old 06-19-2003, 01:43 PM   #3
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Here you go. The picture that was removed for being "obscene" is the same one posted on this thread.

Thanks, fingers.

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...threadid=56065
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Old 06-19-2003, 06:32 PM   #4
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Genghis pwn...

Just a suggestion, but it's probably not a good idea to repost the exact same thread in three different forums when they were each deleted within minutes by moderators of the respective forums.

It would have been a good idea to contact an admin or moderator to see if it was ok, seeing as how it was already deleted two times before.

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Old 06-20-2003, 01:43 AM   #5
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Genghis Pwn,

The issue here is not just the nature of the photo, but also your trollish pattern of posting the photo. Within a short period of time, you chose, in spite of moderator warnings, to post the same photo and weak commentary in 4 different threads.

Your first attempt in Misc. Disc. contained no text and your thread title even suggests that you thought there was a possibility that others might find something wrong with the picture. The moderator quite correctly deleted the possibly provocative photo and closed the thread. The thread was first opened at 1:59p (all times referenced in Pacific DT), the thread was closed at 2:14p.

2:24p Your next attempt is the thread in ~~Elsewhere~~ you linked above. Although you added a couple of weak comments and oblique question to the OP (opening post), your possible interest in a moral discussion is ill served in ~~E~~. In his moderation, missus_gumby gives his justification for the closure as well as a reminder where any complaints should be handled. The thread was closed at 11:16p.

By 11:54p, you lodge a misplaced complaint in ~~Elsewhere~~, including a post of a link to the photo, in spite of the clear direction provided by missus_gumby. At this point, I stepped in, deleted the link, advised you again as to the rules of the board and proper channels for complaints.

I believe my suggestion regarding genuine interest in a serious moral discussion of right vs. wrong clearly states
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If you seriously wish to pursue a discussion of morality, please formulate a solid moral question that can lead to a serious discussion and post in Moral Foundations & Principles.
I closed the thread by 1:08a.

Apparently determined to get that photo back on the site, you made yet another attempt in MF&P. This thread has exactly the same time stamp (1:08a) as when I closed the ~E~ thread. You did not bother to formulate a moral or ethical question as I instructed, you did not explain your use of the photo and, as another poster suggested, these actions demonstrate a pattern of trollish posting that appears to be simply for the purpose of exposing a provocative photo.

This pattern also indicates a determined lack of regard for the moderators requests. As AquaVita suggests, you should have erred on the side of caution and asked a mod or admin before making another attempt at whatever it is you hope to accomplish.
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The moral question is the picture itself and whether it is "right or wrong". Why should I have to write a rambling preamble to the question when none is necessary?? I can point out an endless number of threads here where a photo and a sentence or two start out a great thread discussion.

As for moving it from forum to forum, I first posted in Misc. It got killed there for "not enough substance." Last time that happened to me, my thread was moved to Elsewhere, and I was told Elsewhere is where posts with "not enough substance" should go. So I posted it there. Then you came along and killed it there, suggesting I move it to Morality. I did that, THEN YOU KILLED IT THERE!

Is it just me, or is thread thread being persecuted?? It's a simple thread, a simple question, but the mods here are acting very suspiciously in my opinion. There was never any grounds to mess with the thread in the first place. You say the issue here is my "trollish" behavior of moving the thread around. Well, I have explained why. But I wouldn't be doing any "trollish" moving of the thread if it hadn't been incorrectly censored in the first place.

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The moral question is the picture itself and whether it is "right or wrong". Why should I have to write a rambling preamble to the question when none is necessary?? I can point out an endless number of threads here where a photo and a sentence or two start out a great thread discussion.
Not in MF&P you can't. In the upper fora you are expected to formulate a cogent argument, even if it's an open-ended question. You obviously have a position you're flogging. You said as much in the first thread you started on the same topic (ie, underaged chicks and what they're not wearing) when you admitted to lying in order to provoke a reaction. You didn't quite get the one you were expecting here, but you did at the JREF forum so it's really no mystery what axe it is you're grinding, if you'll pardon the expression.

You want to get people riled up with a deceptively light-hearted or even slightly disapproving OP so you can then smugly claim you just "held up a mirror" to expose our putative hypocracy. That's called trolling, Genghis, and it's as puerile as the half-naked girls you so enjoy slathering all over the board.

If you want to discuss the rights and wrongs of nudity, child sexuality, the modelling industry or whatever, then state your position in plain words. If you feel the need for visual aids, link to them. But kindly spare us all your righteous indignation at not being allowed to play us like so many violins in your internet-wide campaign of exposing the dangers of what you call Political Correctness.
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It's a simple thread, a simple question, but the mods here are acting very suspiciously in my opinion.
The Mods are acting just as the Admins would expect them to. The picture treads the line between decency and child pornography--anyone surfing the site it's hosted by can see that--and posting it four times in less than two hours is considered spamming. If you want to begin a MF&P thread about what is/is not acceptable with underage photography and the obvious objections some will raise to sites like that, feel free. But do NOT post the picture on the IIDB again; provide links (like you did above) in the future.

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Old 06-21-2003, 08:34 AM   #9
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So there is nothing wrong with the photo? Right?

I don't see what my motives have to do with this.
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So there is nothing wrong with the photo? Right?
Please quote the line where you inferred this. Was it the one where I said "The picture treads the line between decency and child pornography" or the one where I said "do NOT post the picture on the IIDB again"? I don't know what valedation you're seeking here, but I'm not going to provide you with it.

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