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Old 06-19-2003, 09:08 PM   #961
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It might also provide a window into the sort of insanity that fuels the "creation science" movement in general.

I'm interested in tracking down the "primary liars": those who concoct the false statements that ignorant but otherwise decent creationists recite as honestly-believed "truths".

That's why I've asked where Ed is getting this stuff from. I have reason to believe that Ed is one of these people. If a particular piece of evidence would pose a problem for Ed's wordview, he will arbitrarily declare that it does not exist. There are NO transitional forms between X and Y (not merely "I don't know of any": they do NOT exist), even without Protoavis there ARE birds (and modern ones at that) with Archaeopteryx, the Bible WAS written by round-Earthers despite all evidence to the contrary, and so forth.

We have a live one here, folks.
Just to correct some of the above inaccuracies. Actually I said that no undisputed transitional forms exist. I did not mean to say modern birds, I was just referring to 100% birds. But of course they were ancient birds not modern birds like robins and blue jays. Also I did not say that the bible was written by round earthers, I just said that the shape of the earth is not discussed in the bible. Also I need to correct my inaccuracies, in all my posts about the Foramen Magnum, please mentally change every time I use the term "anterior" to "posterior".
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Old 06-19-2003, 09:24 PM   #962
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Ed: But in areas that it does cover, it is acccurate.

Oolon: Like where?

Like, perhaps, the way to cure leprosy being:

1) Get a couple of birds.

2) Kill one.

3) Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one.

4) Use the live bird to sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times.

5) Let the living bird fly away.

6) Next, get a lamb.

7) Kill that.

8) Wipe its blood on the leper’s right ear, thumb, and big toe.

9) Sprinkle him or her seven times with oil, and wipe some of the oil on the aforementioned body parts.

10) Repeat eight days later.

11) Kill a pair of doves and offer them to the Lord.

(See Leviticus 14:2-32)

Yep, that’ll work.

This is obviously some strange usage of the word ‘acccurate’ (sic) I wasn’t previously aware of.

TTFN, Oolon
No, those are the procedures for a leper to become ceremonially clean in order to return to the Assembly of the people of God. Not to cure his leprosy.
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No, those are the procedures for a leper to become ceremonially clean in order to return to the Assembly of the people of God. Not to cure his leprosy.
See, this is what I mean. That post was nearly a month ago, and was long forgotten. We really, really need to start the thread over, and we need to keep it to one topic at a time so that the same mess doesn't happen again.
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Old 06-20-2003, 04:38 AM   #964
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Yeh. Plus, it's gotten so redundant that it's no longer of much intrest.

Might's well shut 'er down.

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I agree too. It’s probably just my mood atm, but after seeing Ed’s last post to Patrick, I really don’t give a shit any more.

It’s a shame we didn’t make it to a thousand posts though.

I can’t rustle up the enthusiasm to move the human stuff. But if Patrick (or Ed) want to do the new thread, they’re welcome.

This thread should be preserved in a museum of logical fallacies, as the type specimen of slothful induction.

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Just to correct some of the above inaccuracies. Actually I said that no undisputed transitional forms exist. I did not mean to say modern birds, I was just referring to 100% birds. But of course they were ancient birds not modern birds like robins and blue jays.
Amazing. Ed, you are STILL LYING about birds coexisting with Archaeopteryx!!!

It's very simple, Ed. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Archaeopteryx shared the skies with ANYTHING significantly more "birdlike" than itself. The "100% birds" from that time were a FANTASY. They weren't merely "not modern birds like robins and blue jays", they didn't EXIST.

Your ongoing refusal to correct this lie is, sadly, typical of your whole attitude towards truth and falsehood.

I agree that this thread isn't worth keeping open. And I still don't understand what you're doing here at all: what your objective is. I can only assume that endlessly repeating pure baloney is something you need to do to preserve your faith.
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I too, was hoping to make it to 1,000, indeed, I was scheming to making # 1,000 mine own (I've already taken the coveted 666). But, like wrestling a pig in the mud (win or lose, you gain nothing, but the pig likes it), it no longer seems worth while.

Ed has pulled our legs long enough, methinks.

That's what the rascal's doing, you know. For lo, these many months, whether he believes his nonsense or not, he's been having a blast atheist (theist, agnostic, whatever) baiting.

P'raps he'll get another going, ~Elsewhere~.

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Can I ask an apparently stupid question. Ed seems to have conceed that "modern bird" meaing crows and eaglers and vultures that live and survive and do what birds do in modern times.

Then what exactly doesn he mean by conveging that, although not modern birds, but ancient birds that were 100% birds lived at the same time as Artheoptryx (excuse my spelling). Then is he conceded that what he called "100% modern bird" have somehow evolved into what are "contempotray 100% brids).

I don't understand how someone like can conceded thay "ancient" birds and "ancient" reptiles somehow co-existed millions of years ago and that in this day and age, there isn't a single modern species of their "100% birds coexisting with so called non-bird lizrda species like "Archeoptyrex" (sp? please). Is Ed admitting that modern birds have from ancient birds that co-existed with 100% lizards like what he doesn't think it is modern bird of reptile. Doesn' that imply that either modern species of bird ad descended form the "ancient" birds he's so obsessed on and that "modern" reptiles rea descended from the "ancient" reptiles he's quoted himself.

Indeed, how is it even possible for an evolution denier to even admit the existence of "ancestots" or "transitionals" at all. Where did all themillions of years old "modern species" go?

Does Ed even admit the existence of millions of years old bird species who live simultaneously to ancient lizard species.

I'm confused to say the least. Where are these so called "modern" species now? Did they do extinct? Can they still be found now? I really don't understand.


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... It's time to say goodbye.

At nearly one and a half years of age, during which it has rarely left the front page, and at a grand total of nine hundred and sixty eight posts, this thread has breathed its last. It died the death of a thousand topics.

Speaking of topics, patrick has opened a new thread specifically for discussing the placement of the foramen magnum in homonid fossils, Here. No reason why that discussion shouldn't continue, though it will be moderated for relevance. For the other favourite topic of this thread, the great flood, Ed or anyone else is welcome to join Magus55 in his efforts to defend that fine theory in this current thread.

Lets see... recognisable birds coexisting with archaeopterix will need a new thread if anyone wants to bother, and discussing biblical literalism should be taken to GRD unless its of particular relevance to creation V evolution. That looks like all the current strings of debate neatly glued down, so farewell Ed thread, and don't bother to write.
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