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Family Man · 08-04-2003, 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by Secular Pinoy
Maggie,Both genealogies refer to Joseph's ancestors, and no apologetic acrobatics will change what the verse says. So stop perpetuating this lie.

Also, note that Joseph has two different fathers.

You'll never get Magus to see the circular logic he's employing. How does Magus know that the Bible is the word of God? Because it contains no contradictions. How does Magus know that Luke's genealogy is Mary's? Because it is the word of God and can't contain contradictions.

There's certainly not anything in the text to support Magus's assertions.

Magus55 · 08-04-2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by Secular Pinoy
Maggie,Both genealogies refer to Joseph's ancestors, and no apologetic acrobatics will change what the verse says. So stop perpetuating this lie.

Also, note that Joseph has two different fathers.

Read the link I posted.

Magus55 · 08-04-2003, 08:06 PM

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My post must be invisible.

Nah, not invisible, I just ignored it. No amount of explanation will ever sastisify you, so I'm not gonna bother further with that verse.

winstonjen · 08-04-2003, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Why are you so rude Winst? Do I make ridiculing, sarcastic remarks at you constantly? You add absolutely nothing to a discussion but insults and ridicule - so why don't you just be quiet.

Yes, you do. And you criticize the arguments of others as invalid while yours use only dogma and no logic.

Magus55 · 08-04-2003, 08:09 PM

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Yes, you do. And you criticize the arguments of others as invalid while yours use only dogma and no logic.

No I don't. Almost all of your posts are insulting and sarcastic. Mine aren't. The majority of my posts try to explain your problems with the Bible, and when I'm sincere in trying to explain them, you just call me an idiot, or ignorant.

winstonjen · 08-04-2003, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by Secular Pinoy
Also, note that Joseph has two different fathers.

Oh, that's just sanctioned adultery. Nothing to worry about.

winstonjen · 08-04-2003, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
No I don't. Almost all of your posts are insulting and sarcastic. Mine aren't. The majority of my posts try to explain your problems with the Bible, and when I'm sincere in trying to explain them, you just call me an idiot, or ignorant.

I don't think I've ever called you an idiot or ignorant. However, here is an example of your apologetic dodging.

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Here is an idea. Before you determine whats a noble sacrifice and what isn't-- <blah, blah> Now do all this in order to save murderers, rapists, theives, and people that hate you - while gaining nothing in return that you didn't already have ( in other words - coming back to life and going to paradise doesn't apply since its nothing you didn't already have). Once you go through all that, then you can make the claim that you have a clue what you are talking about in relation to suffering and sacrifice.

Since when does masochism allow someone to dictate morality?

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Example - murdering someone because they irritate you would be immoral, killing someone because they broke the laws, and judgement is being executed on them is moral. Or, the Noah flood. The entire would was nothing but evil, covered in sin - constantly breaking God's laws - so He judged them, and executed punishment for it. Hitler on the other hand, killed millions of people because He didn't like them, and they got in His way. They don't compare.

The entire world was killed for irritating god. Too bad he didn't tell them what he wanted or give them any time. :boohoo:

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Nevermind, apparently you think swear words are perfectly ok to use.

Magus55 · 08-04-2003, 08:25 PM

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The entire world was killed for irritating god. Too bad he didn't tell them what he wanted or give them any time.

No, the entire world was killed for being nothing but evil and corrupt, living in their own lust and greed. When the entire world is nothing but evil, ALL the time, I'd say God had the right to kill them. And He didn't even do it on a whim! He gave them a 120 years of warning that the flood was coming, and for them to turn from their sin, but they still didn't. Had they asked for forgiveness, and turned towards God instead of sin, He would have had to judge them, and would have spared their lives like He did Noah. How is that not fair? If you disobey God constantly for your whole life, and then ignore God's warning of a global flood 120 years ahead of time that will kill you, you deserve to die for stupidity.

Rhaedas · 08-04-2003, 08:34 PM

Sorry, global flood? Not an internal contradiction, but indeed contradicts with hard evidence.

winstonjen · 08-04-2003, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
No, the entire world was killed for being nothing but evil and corrupt, living in their own lust and greed. When the entire world is nothing but evil, ALL the time, I'd say God had the right to kill them. And He didn't even do it on a whim! He gave them a 120 years of warning that the flood was coming, and for them to turn from their sin, but they still didn't. Had they asked for forgiveness, and turned towards God instead of sin, He would have had to judge them, and would have spared their lives like He did Noah. How is that not fair? If you disobey God constantly for your whole life, and then ignore God's warning of a global flood 120 years ahead of time that will kill you, you deserve to die for stupidity.

Non-biblical evidence for this "history":

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