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Old 06-15-2003, 05:15 PM   #211
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In response to my question "how may homosexual couples do you know?" on page 6:

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None.
I rest my case.

However, I am interested to hear yguy explain what, exactly, is so damaging about being homosexual? Spare us the "but think of the children!" bullshit for a minute - find one single reason the harm that faces two same-sex people in a loving, monogamous relationship.
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Old 06-15-2003, 05:32 PM   #212
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Click on my profile.

Click "add yguy to your ignore list".

You're happy, I'm happy. Right? If that doesn't cut it for you, you can petition the admins to get me banned.

Those appear to be your options, since your juvenile attempts at character assassination leave me entirely untroubled, rest assured.
I do not see the need to place you on an ignore list for any reason, unless you started spamming me. There is no reason to attempt to ban you, since ignorance is hardly a bannable offense.
As to "character assassination," you do far more damage to your own credibility and character when you pointedly avoid the valid questions of others or respond with misdirection.
You have done nothing but make bald-faced assertions and you refuse to back them up with anything resembling proof. You have been called on it many a time by nearly every other poster on this thread. As I have said before: put up or shut up. Unfortunately, you will do neither of these and will continue to spout off your silliness.


BTW, you still haven't addressed my points; I'm still waiting patiently.
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Old 06-15-2003, 05:40 PM   #213
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Well you really would need to see an xray to make that diagnosis, wouldn't you? I am guessing, from the posts here, that he perhaps suffers from a different sort of neural tube defect, namely anencephaly.

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Hmmmm. I was merely conjecturing, but you do have a point. I have a differential diagnosis, however it would be inappropriate to speculate upon it in this particular venue at this time.
As one of the resident medicos, I defer to your superior judgement on this matter.
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Old 06-15-2003, 05:47 PM   #214
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In a now-familiar pattern, we have here a claim which is a) dubious (at best) in its own right and b) fails to support the intended conclusion (it doesn't follow from the fact that one "rebel[s] against common sense" that one cannot "not ... indulge that selfishness [which is supposedly inherent in all marriages] and thus overcome it").
Likewise, not all drug addicts indulge to the degree that they die of an overdose or become vegetables. The point is, doing it the first time opens the door to such a fate. If you start a relationship by rebelling against common sense, the proclivity will be to keep doing it.

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Really? Gay marriage isn't illegal right now?
What's stopping a "gay" couple from hiring, say, a wiccan priest, having the cermony, and pronouncing themselves "married"?

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Only in the sense that we already "grant respect to the wishes", with respect to marriage, of everyone else in society. We're just suggesting that gays not be singled out and denied the right to marry.
Then why should incestuous or interspecies marriages by singled out?

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Pardon? The First Amendment denies religious groups the right to get married?
No, it denies them the right to be granted any special consideration by Congress.

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Sorry, could you be a little more explicit here? What exactly is the difference between "guessing" and "foresight"? I mean, if you know of some technique for reliably predicting the future without recourse to evidence or coherent argument, you really should share it with the rest of us.
Foresight is what led Reagan to bomb Tripoli when all the "experts" in the media, had they known, would have produced a hundred arguments against it, every one as believable as those you have produced. Foresight is what led so many Jews to flee Nazi Germany before Hitler started rounding up Jews. Foresight is what led Jefferson to make the Louisiana Purchase.

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Right, because the First Amendment doesn't cherry-pick which views should or should not be legally expressable--which is as it should be. Similarly, the laws regarding marriage should not pick and choose which marriages should be legally permitted--
There is only one kind of marriage. Homosexual couples can no more be married than a child can be a biological product of a homosexual union. Redefining marriage to include it
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Old 06-15-2003, 06:00 PM   #215
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The only way I can see that any pronouncement from the APA could have anything like the effect you ascribe to it, is that there was never any more coherent objection to homosexuality in the first place, than a vague sense that it was somehow "sick". The APA's decision was arguably a catalyst for public discussion of the issue, but I don't see how the "air of authority" of the APA's pronouncements could have "conferred
a perception of normalcy to homosexuality" in the face of any reasonably strong counterargument.
Tell you what, pal - you can't produce an argument "reasonably strong counterargument" to the idea that pedophilia should be decriminalized. Believe me, I could tear your best argument apart - and so could advocates of pedophilia, because acceptance of either is based on reasoning that lacks a moral center.

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It might be illuminating to consider the example I previously gave: would a decision by the APA to remove kleptomania from the DSM have the effect of "confer[ring] a perception of normalcy" to theft? Probably not, since there are rational objections to theft other than the notion that it is somehow "sick".
The only thing kleptomaniacs are missing is media backing and support from the academic community. After all, many people are legally allowed to steal from the public coffers already.
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Old 06-15-2003, 06:21 PM   #216
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Homosexual couples can no more be married than a child can be a biological product of a homosexual union. Redefining marriage to include it*
*This restriction void in Canada and where allowed by law. Fundies, employees of Exodus, and their minions are not eligible. See store for details.
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Old 06-15-2003, 07:49 PM   #217
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BTW, you still haven't addressed my points; I'm still waiting patiently.
You're not interested in understanding what I'm saying, so it's a waste of time.
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Old 06-15-2003, 07:56 PM   #218
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You're not interested in understanding what I'm saying, so it's a waste of time.
As you have no basis for making this statement, I do not see how it applies. You know absolutely nothing about me in the least, especially as it pertains to my thoughts and interests.
I wouldn't repeatedly ask you for clarification of your points or challenging your assumptions if I wasn't interested in pursuing the debate in a rational manner. My posts have shown an interest in understanding your position. If you think my sole purpose here is to harass you, I think you need to reread my (and probably many of the other) posts on this thread in an objective manner.
If you feel that my presence is detrimental, why not follow your own advice and seek redress in Bugs, Problems & Complaints?
Besides, how is it a waste of your time to asset your position for the benefit of lurkers? Do you not think there may be someone out there that may be swayed by the power and righteousness of your rhetoric?
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Old 06-15-2003, 07:58 PM   #219
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However, I am interested to hear yguy explain what, exactly, is so damaging about being homosexual? Spare us the "but think of the children!" bullshit for a minute -
Sorry, children are the central issue as far as I'm concerned. How it harms the participants is their concern, not mine.
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Old 06-15-2003, 08:03 PM   #220
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If you feel that my presence is detrimental, why not follow your own advice and seek redress in Bugs, Problems & Complaints?
You don't understand. I don't give a damn whether you're here or not. I'm just telling you that I'm not going to waste my time with you as long as you remain, in my view, gratuitously contentious.
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