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Old 03-21-2003, 11:17 AM   #31
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Yeah, you need to edit that post and put a winky face with it!
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Old 03-21-2003, 02:14 PM   #32
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Regarding what Lpetrich (IIRC) once called bumper-car plate tectonics, and what YECs call catastrophist plate tectonics, and what I prefer to call a steaming pile of implausible creationist horseshit, see the following article I wrote:

Sea-floor spreading and the age of the earth

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Thank you Patrick. That is a very scholarly article, with presentation of the evidence / data, and documentation. I will bookmark it for further information. It is great having a geologist here.

This is off-topic. But do you have any good suggestions on some questions I have on my home area. There is what appears to be an obvious rift or fault line across Scotland from Inverness to beyond Fort William. It is the trough in which Loch Ness is located, about 5 miles from my home. If you know of any geological information on this or the geology of Loch Ness, I would be very grateful.

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How about multiple ice ages? No creationist that I've come across here in Finland has ever thought what it means if Africa and Brasil were once covered with layers of ice.
A good way to start is this:
-ask if there was one or more ice ages
-if the answer is:there was only one. Ask how could the ice sheets that covered Africa, South America, North America and Europe could have melted away in less than 4300 years, since they would have reflected Sun's radiation away and cooled the Earth to an ice sphere.
Oh, and ask why didn't anyone mark these ice ages into their history books, but they remembered the Flood.
I wonder if you get the same silence that I got...
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Thank you Patrick. That is a very scholarly article, with presentation of the evidence / data, and documentation. I will bookmark it for further information. It is great having a geologist here.

This is off-topic. But do you have any good suggestions on some questions I have on my home area. There is what appears to be an obvious rift or fault line across Scotland from Inverness to beyond Fort William. It is the trough in which Loch Ness is located, about 5 miles from my home. If you know of any geological information on this or the geology of Loch Ness, I would be very grateful.

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Thanks for the compliments Fiach. But Im not a geologist -- just an "enthusiast." There are a few web pages on the geology of Loch Ness. You may want to try a search for "great glen fault."

A Geological View of Loch Ness and Area

SCOTTISH HIGHLANDS

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One explanation I have heard that would reduce the amount of water needded for the flood is that continental drift caused/is causing the mountains to be formed. Apparently at the time of the flood, the mountains weren't very high, but during the thousands of years since then, they're gained most of their modern height.

I assume you could take a look at continental drift rates to give a real answer to this, but I don't know much about them personally.
Well, considering the amount of damage done by one magnitude 7 earthquake while moving the land a few inches, the concept of continental drift being responsible for turning a few hills into the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, etc over the space of a few tens or hundreds of years without wiping out life all over the globe is a little bit optimistic.
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Thanks for the compliments Fiach. But Im not a geologist -- just an "enthusiast." There are a few web pages on the geology of Loch Ness. You may want to try a search for "great glen fault."

A Geological View of Loch Ness and Area

SCOTTISH HIGHLANDS

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Thank you very much Patrick. I found those sites extraordinary. All of that is happing right under my feet. I wasn't aware of that much seismic activity. Sometimes me and the lads felt like the earth was moving but that was coming out of Murphy's Pub

It furnishes more ammunition in the fight against the bloody creationists.

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Well, considering the amount of damage done by one magnitude 7 earthquake while moving the land a few inches, the concept of continental drift being responsible for turning a few hills into the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, etc over the space of a few tens or hundreds of years without wiping out life all over the globe is a little bit optimistic.
You have to remember the great time scale of these movements. We are talking about millions of years to build up these mountains. It wasn't all on Saturday afternoon. Aniimals were not likely killed except in very local earth quakes, and then they may have fossilised for our future knowledge. So, it wasn't tens of hundreds but tens of millions of years. All of those quakes in California have not significally reduced its overpopulation from 40 million people.

The fact that the south pole was once in the center of the Sahara Desert and glaciers scraped across Africa as it was at the south pole 400-500 million years ago or longer (?). New England, USA was once at the equator. Later on New England and the US east coast was part of Northeast Africa, in Pangaea. When Pangaea split, it did not split exactly on the old lines. The old shoreline of Eastern America was at the Apalachian foothills. But when it separated it stole a strip of coastal land from Africa. New York, Boston, Baltimore, Charleston, and Virginia Beach were once located in Africa.

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Well, considering the amount of damage done by one magnitude 7 earthquake while moving the land a few inches, the concept of continental drift being responsible for turning a few hills into the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, etc over the space of a few tens or hundreds of years without wiping out life all over the globe is a little bit optimistic.
Mountains have existed all over the earth since the Pre-cambrian 750 million years ago. Once the Apalachians were the height of the Himalayas. The Himalayas have been hughe for 30 million years and very hight 40-50 million years ago. Also The Rocky Mountains were in the 3000 metre height range for the past 30 milliion years or so. So the amount of water necessary had to be 2.3 billion cubic kilometres. The Earth by all geological studies has always had tectonic plate movements. That is fact. And while continents have been colliding over and over and splitting, there have always been mountains at collision sites. The Giant Continent Pangaea formed more than one time, in Pre-Cambrian, Azoic times it has happened in ongoing cycles likely since 4.5 billion years ago shortly after the crust cooled atop the hot magma.

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Now let's say God does work in mysterious ways and took away all of that water and proof of a flood and replaced all those animals that Noah could not have possibly gotten there would still be a HUGE problem. Now, if I remember right Noah only brought his family aboard the arch. Now what is the possibilty, under probibility, that all of the human DNA sequence (because the entire world was wiped out) came from these people. It is the same as the Adam and Eve problem, only over less time... Silly X-tains taking fables as truth.
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Now let's say God does work in mysterious ways and took away all of that water and proof of a flood and replaced all those animals that Noah could not have possibly gotten there would still be a HUGE problem. Now, if I remember right Noah only brought his family aboard the arch. Now what is the possibilty, under probibility, that all of the human DNA sequence (because the entire world was wiped out) came from these people. It is the same as the Adam and Eve problem, only over less time... Silly X-tains taking fables as truth.
That's because you're using man's flawed science! In reality the more inbreeding the more holy you become!
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