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Born Free · 06-01-2003, 03:08 PM

That was funny shit. Somebody gave us a link to the rapture ready forum and I've been doing a lot of reading.

Every little thing that happens is atrributed to the rapture, 4 earthquakes in a day and there's people shouting "this is it, the lord is a coming soon" and "hurry up sweet lord and come for us".

I mean for the love o' the wee man, how can people live their lives like that??? I can't understand it. One guy even wrote a letter for his wife as directed by the lord, despite the fact she is also a christian he is convinced she will not be going for some reason but that's the lord's will. His kids won't be going either.

I also read some predictions for the rapture's occurrence at the start of the year, some gave it two weeks, some 10 months, a year, 10 at most. 100 years down the line and they'll still be trying to predict, they'll have a long wait.

This rapture tripe is all new to me, I've never came across it before and mostly I laugh at how caught up in it they all are but other times I feel sad for them that they are brainwashed to that extent.

sakrilege · 06-01-2003, 03:13 PM

Then there's the problem of which type of rapture will happen. From Religious Tolerance

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Theologians remain currently divided over the timing of the Rapture. Their beliefs include:

Pre-Tribulation Rapture: (or "pre-trib") The Rapture happens just before the Tribulation, so that believers will not have to experience any of its disruption and pain. Most conservative Christians currently believe this theory. 12

Mid-Tribulation Rapture: (or "mid-trib") The Rapture happens about 42 months into the Tribulation. Initially, the rule of the Antichrist is relatively benign. He arranges a peace treaty between Israel and surrounding countries. But three and a half years into his reign as world dictator, events take a sudden turn for the worse.

Post-tribulation Rapture: (or post-trib") The faithful experience the horrors and killings of the Tribulation. All suffer and many are killed. Believers are then raptured at the end of the 7 years of horror.

Partial Rapture: some of the faithful are raptured just before the Tribulation; the rest are raptured during or at the end of the Tribulation. 1

Partial Rapture (a.k.a. Split Rapture): This is a minority belief among conservative Christians. It is a variation of the Pre-trib rapture in which there are two raptures:
A pre-trib rapture and resurrection occurs before the tribulation, but only for those born-again Christians who have earned special treatment by having been actively watching, waiting and praying for the rapture.

Those born-again Christians who have not been doing these "works" will be have to endure at least part of the tribulation. They will be raptured partway through or at the end of the tribulation period._

Born Free · 06-01-2003, 03:23 PM

Now I'm really confused. Pre trib, mid trib, post trib sounds almost like a pregnancy where the hell did it come from??? Who made that up???

I've been reading about road maps in that forum and the EU, they seem obsessed with those things. Madness, freaky shit. Think I'll have to do a little more research.

Edited to add;

The word "Rapture" comes from the Latin word "Rapare" which means to take away or to snatch out. This would be a remarkable event. Pilots would disappear from planes, truck drivers from their trucks; people from automobiles, etc.

Aha they've been watching too much of "the langoliers"

Ispikes · 06-01-2003, 09:12 PM

It makes fundies feel so good....all those unbelievers realising christians were right all along and being tortured whilst they chill in heaven.

:banghead:

Even if it's blantant rubbish it's a consolation

Secular Pinoy · 06-02-2003, 05:43 AM

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Originally posted by Magus55
And anyone with common sense would realize the Gospels weren't fabricated fairy tales, and Jesus did in fact rise from the dead or Christianity wouldn't exist, yet you all threw that common sense out the window ages ago.

Of course you haven't shown any evidence for these assertions in your posts at the BC&A forum here at II.

catmar · 06-02-2003, 07:10 AM

Magus55- when I was a Christian, I thought the Rapture thing was a bit silly and still agreed with alot of decidely non-Xtian viewpoints (pro-choice, evolution, etc). So don't take it out on us atheists for thinking like that. Some of us thought like that when we were still Christian.

Calzaer · 06-02-2003, 07:45 AM

I've decided to limit all my future correspondence to Magus. From now on, my only reply to any of the worthless bullshit he spouts will be: "Prove it or shut up."

Stephen T-B · 06-02-2003, 08:10 AM

I think Magus is asking for respect.
I will respect anyone�s right to believe anything s/he likes, provided it doesn�t harm other people. But I don�t see that I have an obligation to respect the belief.

I don�t respect the belief in some African countries that children are witches and must be punished any more than I respect a minority-Christian belief that one day soon several million people will be raptured.

If the boundary between the sensible and the stupid simply doesn�t exist in some people�s minds, it doesn�t make the stupid any less stupid.

Shake · 06-02-2003, 08:59 AM

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Magus55 said:
Why do atheists constantly feel the need to belittle and insult Christians and what we believe?

Why do theists who come to The Secular Web always seem so surprised that their beliefs are being made fun of?

:banghead:

Family Man · 06-02-2003, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by Magus55
And anyone with common sense would realize the Gospels weren't fabricated fairy tales,

Who said they are? Reality is often more complicated than the simplistic scenarios postulated by Christians.

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and Jesus did in fact rise from the dead or Christianity wouldn't exist,

Case in point of a simplistic scenario, and easily refuted. Would Islam exist if Muhammad wasn't the last prophet of God? Would Mormonism exist if Joseph Smith didn't receive a visit from the angel Moroni? Would any religion exist if its central tenets aren't true? Obviously, common sense tells us otherwise. Why is it that adherents of those religions can be fooled but Christians like yourself can't be?

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yet you all threw that common sense out the window ages ago.

As can be seen above, we're preserving common sense.

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I find it amusing that Atheist call Christians self-righteous and holier than thou, yet all you do is belittle us and laugh at things that you don't even believe in or give a crap about.

Actually, I don't belittle all Christians. Not all Christians believe that a Rapture is going to occur. You should check out some of Vinnie's posts in BC&A.

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If you really knew that God didn't exist and its all a fairytale, why waste your time arguing over it?

First, I don't "know" that God doesn't exist. If a convincing, sound argument would appear I would happily convert. Second, some things are plain enjoyable.

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06-01-2003, 03:08 PM	#21
Born Free Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,177	That was funny shit. Somebody gave us a link to the rapture ready forum and I've been doing a lot of reading. Every little thing that happens is atrributed to the rapture, 4 earthquakes in a day and there's people shouting "this is it, the lord is a coming soon" and "hurry up sweet lord and come for us". I mean for the love o' the wee man, how can people live their lives like that??? I can't understand it. One guy even wrote a letter for his wife as directed by the lord, despite the fact she is also a christian he is convinced she will not be going for some reason but that's the lord's will. His kids won't be going either. I also read some predictions for the rapture's occurrence at the start of the year, some gave it two weeks, some 10 months, a year, 10 at most. 100 years down the line and they'll still be trying to predict, they'll have a long wait. This rapture tripe is all new to me, I've never came across it before and mostly I laugh at how caught up in it they all are but other times I feel sad for them that they are brainwashed to that extent.

06-01-2003, 03:23 PM	#23
Born Free Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,177	Now I'm really confused. Pre trib, mid trib, post trib sounds almost like a pregnancy where the hell did it come from??? Who made that up??? I've been reading about road maps in that forum and the EU, they seem obsessed with those things. Madness, freaky shit. Think I'll have to do a little more research. Edited to add; The word "Rapture" comes from the Latin word "Rapare" which means to take away or to snatch out. This would be a remarkable event. Pilots would disappear from planes, truck drivers from their trucks; people from automobiles, etc. Aha they've been watching too much of "the langoliers"

06-01-2003, 09:12 PM	#24
Ispikes Regular Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Nowhere interesting Posts: 164	It makes fundies feel so good....all those unbelievers realising christians were right all along and being tortured whilst they chill in heaven. :banghead: Even if it's blantant rubbish it's a consolation

06-02-2003, 07:10 AM	#26
catmar Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 220	Magus55- when I was a Christian, I thought the Rapture thing was a bit silly and still agreed with alot of decidely non-Xtian viewpoints (pro-choice, evolution, etc). So don't take it out on us atheists for thinking like that. Some of us thought like that when we were still Christian.

06-02-2003, 07:45 AM	#27
Calzaer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,762	I've decided to limit all my future correspondence to Magus. From now on, my only reply to any of the worthless bullshit he spouts will be: "Prove it or shut up."

06-02-2003, 08:10 AM	#28
Stephen T-B Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 5,878	I think Magus is asking for respect. I will respect anyone�s right to believe anything s/he likes, provided it doesn�t harm other people. But I don�t see that I have an obligation to respect the belief. I don�t respect the belief in some African countries that children are witches and must be punished any more than I respect a minority-Christian belief that one day soon several million people will be raptured. If the boundary between the sensible and the stupid simply doesn�t exist in some people�s minds, it doesn�t make the stupid any less stupid.

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