Mageth

Magus said:

There is no inbetween. There is Hot and Cold, Good and Evil, Heaven and Hell. You make the choice between those - you don't get to make up more options.

Then what was Jesus getting on about with all that talk about the "lukewarm"?

Rev 3: 15-16 - I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Mageth

Quite the contrary. Read this, which includes quite a bit of "scriptural backing" for infant baptism.

And where in the Bible does it teach against the sacrament of infant baptism?

Nialler

Magus,

You said:

"NO ONE is innocent. Apparently you haven't learned that yet."

Right. Let's speak cases.

Please tell me precisely what guilt I carry.

No messing around, now. I would like dates, times, places etc. You're the one making the claim, so please back it up.

pescifish

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abospaum

I'm new to this board but not this debate.

Is there free will. Certainly at least not for everyone if you take the bible as your source. Read Exodus. Pharoh didn't have free will when Moses told him to "Let my people go." God hardened his heart.

Also does God have foreknowledge. If that is the case he can never be compared to a parent who says to his child not to do something. He would know when and where it would happen and would stop it. Also what is the purpose of the Tree of KoG&E? God already had the knowledge and didn't need to eat the fruit. He put the tree there for a reason, because he wanted man to fall. He didn't want to save everyone.

The NT talks about how God is love. The OT talks about God being jealous and angry. The bible also says that God does not change. It means therefore that God cannot love everyone. How many people in the OT were killed over blasphemy or whims of God? It is in the millions including women and children.

Children were often slaughtered because God specifically commanded that they be put to death. Read Joshua, I & II Kings, Chronicles, Isiah, etc.

mike_decock

Could you explain to me how you justify identifying Catholic doctrine as heretical? They are the only church which has maintained a direct line of apostolic tradition through the centuries. How can the original church your denomination is a derivative of be classified as heretical? If anything, you are the heretic!

-Mike...

winstonjen

Then stop peddling the argument of the age of accountability then. If they cannot be held accountable, they cannot be judged guilty.

winstonjen

But Jesus was baptised in water, so unless you want to claim that what Jesus did was worthless, your argument fails.

Baptising someone in fire (hell) does nothing except turn them to ash. No remedial value whatsoever.

winstonjen

[fundy mode]
Crime 1: Being born.
Crime 2: Not worshipping Jesus.
Crime 3: Not worshipping the Father.
Crime 4: Not worshipping the Holy Spook.
Crime 5: Being your father's son/daughter.
Crime 6: Being your mother's son/daughter.
[/fundy mode]

How was that, Magus? Rather accurate?

Magus55

Did you bother to read it? Its the scriptural explanation of what I just said. You can't be in the middle ( lukewarm) - you are either Hot or Cold, for God or against, and God knows this. Those who are lukewarm haven't made a decision ( this may refer to Agnostics) and will be counted towards the cold side. They wont win any "points" with God for saying, I don't know and don't really care.