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Bubba · 11-27-2002, 09:02 AM

I think Langan's dose of nitrous just sent a piston through the hood.

Bubba

KC · 11-27-2002, 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by Happy Wonderer:


Damn, I knew I should have sprung for that higher-horsepower brain rather than saving money on the economy model. Do you think that if I used higher-octane fuel, I'd get it?

HW

Unfortunately, no. You may have a beef with your manufacturer, however

Cheers,

KC

KC · 11-27-2002, 12:41 PM

Methinks the criticisms of Langan <a href="http://www.arn.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=13;t=000483;p=2" target="_blank">are hitting home</a>:

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This is all explained very clearly in the paper. As I’ve said, it all happens in the context of a certain mathematical structure called SCSPL, an algebraic language meeting certain well-defined criteria. All I have to say about those who claim to have read the paper thoroughly but didn’t pick up on this is one of the following two things. (1) Stop lying. (2) Why don’t you go check yourself into halfway houses where somebody can wipe your little noses and bottoms for you? That would be preferable to claiming that you are (e.g.) "scientists" - what a joke! - and harassing people who are for all apparent purposes smarter than you are, but on whom you and your fellow lobotomy victims have periodically attempted to drool in the course of drooling on yourselves.

Just a constructive suggestion that might greatly enhance the quality of discourse here at ARN.

<img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" /> <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

Cheers,

KC

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: KCdgw ]

Principia · 11-27-2002, 01:29 PM

From the thread cited above:

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CML: I wish I could tell you that you�d made some great mathematical breakthrough that merits citation in a paper presenting new material. Had you let me know that this was your expectation, I might have done it just to make you happy. But sadly, it is now too late for me to do anything but point out to you that if you�d done your homework, you never would have believed that you had anything special.

LOL! And this followed by his GF's gentle reminder:

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Please note that Ian is not a member of the high IQ community. I have a feeling even Judge Ogg wouldn't put his foot in it this bad.

Judge Ogg of Maxwell Revisited fame??? ROFLMAO

Tom Ames · 11-27-2002, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Genie:
Please note that Ian is not a member of the high IQ community.

What happened? Did they excommunicate him? Or is he a disciple of the other "Mega Society" pope?

BTW: anyone witnessing particularly noxious spew from this crowd ought to archive it somewhere immediately. These folks have a taste for revisionist history, and they've frequently gone back to edit their words so that they look more reasoned and dispassionate.

It'd be a shame to lose into the ether a single biting witticism or nugget of truth from the world's smartest couple.

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Stagolee ]

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Stagolee ]

Clutch · 11-27-2002, 02:28 PM

These guys are hilarious! I agree that somebody should be archiving it -- this is exactly the sort of thing that speaks for itself when conjoined with (IIRC) Dembski's words of praise for the author(s).

KC · 11-27-2002, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Principia:
From the thread cited above:
Judge Ogg of Maxwell Revisited fame??? ROFLMAO

What is funnier is charlie d's posting of their MegaSociety member list of websites:

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Mega Society East, Ultranet, UltraHIQ SIG and MegaGirls Forum
List Members' Websites (in no particular order):

Christopher Michael Langan - CTMU links, Interviews, Articles

Gina Lynne LoSasso - Links to Articles, Artwork, Mental Health info

....

Ian Goddard - <a href="http://www.IanGoddard.net" target="_blank">www.IanGoddard.net</a>

Then...her Orwellian Newspeak reply:

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No one on that list is necessarily a member of one of our "societies" (full members have IQ scores of 164 or greater). Our UltraHIQ SIG (special interest group) members are also invited to list their websites. All members of our mailing list (over 1500) are considered "members" of this special interest group. Even completely unqualified individuals, such as yourself, are welcome to join one of our special interests groups (but please don't!).

I guess poor Ian's IQ dropped when he disagreed with Langan and his lapdog.

Cheers,

KC

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: KCdgw ]

Xeluan · 11-27-2002, 05:27 PM

Given that the Poms will wilt over in Perth tomorrow, looks like Langan's rampant ego will provide the entertainment for the weekend.

Quote of the day from Langan:

"But I haven’t issued any ad hominem remarks against anybody. Anyone who reads these threads with even a modicum of neutrality can see that I’ve taken by far the worst of it in the ad hom department. Yet as soon as I even indirectly say what I think about this without mentioning anyone by name, I’m suddenly “the bad guy”."

Given that he threatend Goddard this is hilarious but there is also:

Langan Responding to RBH:
"Funny – I’ve worked in the tech industry too, and I’ve never heard of you. Are you some kind of big shot? In any case, I’m sure we’d all like to hear about your many grand achievements.

But on second thought, having just read the last part of your post, I think I now understand why ARN has sunk too low for you to bother with any more. Fortunately, it’s sure to improve when you leave. "

Langan in response to anybody who questioned CTMU:

"This is all explained very clearly in the paper. As I’ve said, it all happens in the context of a certain mathematical structure called SCSPL, an algebraic language meeting certain well-defined criteria. All I have to say about those who claim to have read the paper thoroughly but didn’t pick up on this is one of the following two things. (1) Stop lying. (2) Why don’t you go check yourself into halfway houses where somebody can wipe your little noses and bottoms for you? That would be preferable to claiming that you are (e.g.) "scientists" - what a joke! - and harassing people who are for all apparent purposes smarter than you are, but on whom you and your fellow lobotomy victims have periodically attempted to drool in the course of drooling on yourselves."

Interestingly, Langan is starting to have a go at some of the YECers on ARN an as well.

Xeluan

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Xeluan ]

KC · 11-27-2002, 06:43 PM

More threats, but from the girlfriend now..LOL

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There's also a strong lack-of-answerability dimension here. Let's face it - if any of you ever chances to meet Chris in real life, you probably won't want him to know that you were one of the ones insulting and harassing him on the ARN board.

This is priceless..LOL

Cheers,

KC

Happy Wonderer · 11-27-2002, 09:08 PM

<a href="http://iangoddard.net/identity.htm" target="_blank">Deep subject.</a> It is so awe-inspiring to watch these giants do battle. The original work being discussed here just boggles my poor low-octane mind.

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for we can say that a thing (a part of all) is the same as itself if, and only if, we can say it is different than something else.

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Example: the difference between 4 and 4 is 0 (4 is the same as 4) because the difference between 4 and 0 is 4. So a thing, n, is defined at the same time by both its similarity to itself and by its difference from not(n); and thus difference (from zero difference to nonzero differences) defines the whole structure of identity.

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Each number-identity along the continuum is defined by its difference from zero (n - 0 = n), which defines the Primary Relative (PR) identity attribute of an identity. For example, 3 is 3 because 3 is 3 more then 0

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Listed in the vertical column below each number on the top of the matrix below are its identity attributes as derived from relations to the numbers listed along the left side. The identity attributes derived from the relation of two numbers are found at their intersections:
[code]
0 1 2 3
0 0 1 2 3
1 -1 0 1 2
2 -2 -1 0 1
3 -3 -2 -1 0
</pre>

[/quote]

HW

Should I be amused or scared that these cranks apparently have followers?

11-27-2002, 05:27 PM	#18
Xeluan Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Some Pub In East Gosford, Australia Posts: 831	Given that the Poms will wilt over in Perth tomorrow, looks like Langan's rampant ego will provide the entertainment for the weekend. Quote of the day from Langan: "But I haven’t issued any ad hominem remarks against anybody. Anyone who reads these threads with even a modicum of neutrality can see that I’ve taken by far the worst of it in the ad hom department. Yet as soon as I even indirectly say what I think about this without mentioning anyone by name, I’m suddenly “the bad guy”." Given that he threatend Goddard this is hilarious but there is also: Langan Responding to RBH: "Funny – I’ve worked in the tech industry too, and I’ve never heard of you. Are you some kind of big shot? In any case, I’m sure we’d all like to hear about your many grand achievements. But on second thought, having just read the last part of your post, I think I now understand why ARN has sunk too low for you to bother with any more. Fortunately, it’s sure to improve when you leave. " Langan in response to anybody who questioned CTMU: "This is all explained very clearly in the paper. As I’ve said, it all happens in the context of a certain mathematical structure called SCSPL, an algebraic language meeting certain well-defined criteria. All I have to say about those who claim to have read the paper thoroughly but didn’t pick up on this is one of the following two things. (1) Stop lying. (2) Why don’t you go check yourself into halfway houses where somebody can wipe your little noses and bottoms for you? That would be preferable to claiming that you are (e.g.) "scientists" - what a joke! - and harassing people who are for all apparent purposes smarter than you are, but on whom you and your fellow lobotomy victims have periodically attempted to drool in the course of drooling on yourselves." Interestingly, Langan is starting to have a go at some of the YECers on ARN an as well. Xeluan [ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Xeluan ]</p>

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11-27-2002, 09:02 AM	#11
Bubba Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orient, OH USA Posts: 1,501	I think Langan's dose of nitrous just sent a piston through the hood. Bubba

11-27-2002, 02:28 PM	#16
Clutch Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 3,751	These guys are hilarious! I agree that somebody should be archiving it -- this is exactly the sort of thing that speaks for itself when conjoined with (IIRC) Dembski's words of praise for the author(s).

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