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Well Datheron, that isn't the only part of his post that was absurd, and just plain wrong. For one, The US had nothing to do with the destruction of the Soviet Union, and very little to do with the defeat of Nazi Germany. The Communist empire collapsed on itself, and the Russians were the ones who destroyed the Nazis. The war was over before D-day occured. So please, theists (and non) educate yourself on these certain facts before commenting.

Bill Snedden

Actually, circles can and often do have points. A circle is a geometric construction consisting of a line drawn around a point through a range of 360 degrees. A point is merely a designation of a location on a line. Because a circle is a line, it can therefore have points.

There are numerous geometry and trigonometry problems that consist of finding the area, perimeter, or angles of triangles and/or rhombii drawn with lines intersecting the perimeter of the circle where only the circle's radius, diameter, and/or circumference are given. The locations where the borders of the given figure intersects the circle's perimeter are always referred to as "points".

At any rate, this seems to me such a silly example of a so-called biblical "contradiction". It seems reasonable to suggest that the author was employing a metaphor. Even so, it would be interesting to know how "corner" appears in Koine or Hebrew and why the word was translated thusly.

Regards,

Bill Snedden

[ September 09, 2001: Message edited by: Bill Snedden ]

doodad

Is there any history of atheists killing people? If atheists existed in the same numbers as theists I'd link to think it would
be apparent that they are not squeaky clean either.

doodad

The implication is that people shall have no other master, or god, under communism. That to me is a kind of state imposed atheism. As one poster said about the technique of repetition used by theists to try and convert people, the same can work for communist leaders. Communism is a belief system of sorts, one with no supernatural god, so a rabid follower would not believe in god, only the state.

doodad

FarSeeker

Strangely enough, I agree with you that this example of contradiction, but you fellow Atheist freethinkers disagree with you. There are 2 things to consider here:
1.) Those calling it a contradiction didn't think enough to research the original word(s) and the various translations.
2.) The info I have says that the cultures surrounding Israel view the world as a disc (or flat and round). Thus, if the Israelites "barrowed" from these cultures, as Atheists claim, they would not have used the word "corner."

Still, I am surprised that you corrected these guys. On the other hand, if a Christian had made such a mistake, he/she would have been roundly insulted.

P.S. Let's get back on the subject guys.

[ September 29, 2001: Message edited by: FarSeeker ]

lpetrich

Turtonm:
Some writers see close links between Christianity and Communism, in their authoritarianism, their teleological view of history, and so forth.

FarSeeker:
History is strange in that way. 225 years and some 40+ Theist Presidents (mostly Christians) after the founding of our nation, BY theists of all denominations, we still are, arguably, the most free country on the planet. Several years after Atheists took over Russia, Mass murder was common, secret police were the rule and the Atheist Leaders were kissing Hitler’s ass until he started kicking theirs back to Moscow.

LP:
Pure idiocy. Before Communism, there was the Tsars, and these all believed in the Russian Orthodox Church -- and what does FarSeeker think that the ROC was??? And the Tsars had a secret police force, and did a lot of persecution -- extending to long before Karl Marx was born.

And Hitler believed that God had given us our form, and that fighting the Jews was doing the work of "the Lord", Jesus Christ, as exemplified by him throwing the moneychangers out of the Temple.

[stuff on the Four Corners of the Earth in the Book of Revelation]

FarSeeker:
I believe the Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, NOT English. What is the definition of the word translated into “corner”. That is were you should start your argument.

LP:
Then the Bible is shoddily written. Yes, shoddily. If I wrote instructions that were as ambiguous as FarSeeker's remarks would seem to imply, people would howl at me, and for very good reason.

FarSeeker:
Four Rush Limbaugh wanna-be’s who are Atheists. God Help Us.

LP:
FarSeeker, I didn't know that you were an unpatriotic liberal.

Ut

Farseeker,

It's nice to see how much you talk about those evil Nazis without even mentioning how Hitler was merely continuing a 1,000+ year old Christian tradition of routinely slaughtering Jews. You can see it here for yourself along with the rest of the "glorious" record of your religion: Victims of the Christian faith

critical thinking made ez

I was surprise that no Christians used the same defense they use for other contradictions in the Bible. Here is the same technique used to explain how a man could survive in a Whale's stomach. It’s called a Miracle. It goes like this.

At the time this verse was written (4 corners) the world was flat and had 4 corners, it was later that God changed the world and made it round. He is All Powerful you know.

RE COMMUNISM:
When I was a young bible reading Christian circa 1974 (mid teens) I read these verses in Acts and when I suggested to my Mother (a devote Christian) that we should all live together and share everything, including our money, food and homes, she told me that was how Communists live and that won't work. When I told her it was written in the Bible, she walked away and never brought it up again.

Ah... the fond memories of a future atheist and how one gets there with questions that have no answers.

P_Brian_Bateman

The first groups of Christians lived a life of primitive communism (they kept all goods in common) because they thought that Jesus would be returning very soon, and they didn't have to worry about the longterm effects of their wordly lives. When many years passed and Jesus didn't return, the primitive communism died away.