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Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas · 03-11-2003, 10:31 AM

Jack the Bodiless,

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Like others here, I'm wondering where you get that from?

Uh...?

From you. If we are talking about the standard definition of God.

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The God of the Bible harbors evil intent...

Incorrect. See below.

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...:in fact, he supposedly created evil. So when did you renounce Biblical Christianity, SOMMS?

Never. This is absolutely Biblical and exactly what I've been saying all along. He most certainly creates evil. He most certainly does not do evil.

That is, without God there would be no Good or Evil...no objective moral standard.

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Yes, we CAN argue that rape is right. The Bible doesn't say that rape is wrong!

I see. The Bible also doesn't say that we shouldn't kill people with chainsaws. Does this mean the Bible condones killing people with chainsaws?

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Philosoft · 03-11-2003, 10:42 AM

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John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

Note that it doesn't say God had to give his only son.

So why is it more loving for God to sacrifice-but-not-really some part of his essence in order to provide humanity with a one-way ticket to heaven? I doubt God went through too much mental anguish during the whole thing. I guess I just don't see where the overwhelming love comes in. To me, it just seems like another layer of needless complexity.

Hawkingfan · 03-11-2003, 11:55 AM

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For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

Note that it doesn't say God had to give his only son.[/B]

God "loved" the world, so he murdered an innocent person, or else sins would not be forgiven? That's love?

If god "loved" the world, why can't he forgive sins WITHOUT bloodshed like everyone else? Do YOU require bloodshed in order to forgive someone?

Mageth · 03-11-2003, 12:22 PM

I see. The Bible also doesn't say that we shouldn't kill people with chainsaws. Does this mean the Bible condones killing people with chainsaws?

Actually, it does. It says "Thou shalt not kill." I assume that covers killing with any weapon.

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas · 03-11-2003, 12:40 PM

Philosoft,

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So why is it more loving for God to sacrifice-but-not-really some part of his essence in order to provide humanity with a one-way ticket to heaven?

Huh? 'sacrifice-but-not-really'?

His son was nailed to a cross and stabbed to death after being tortured and mocked.

?

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I doubt God went through too much mental anguish during the whole thing. I guess I just don't see where the overwhelming love comes in.

What??

So watching your child being tortured to death by people he went to help wouldn't cause you 'much mental anguish'?

How is allowing your only son to be sacrificed so that some of these people may have life not an act of 'overwhelming love'?

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Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas · 03-11-2003, 12:44 PM

Mageth,

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I see. The Bible also doesn't say that we shouldn't kill people with chainsaws. Does this mean the Bible condones killing people with chainsaws?

Actually, it does. It says "Thou shalt not kill." I assume that covers killing with any weapon.

It also says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I assume that covers rape.

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Mageth · 03-11-2003, 12:47 PM

His son was nailed to a cross and stabbed to death after being tortured and mocked.

Actually, that was a human body. The "God" part didn't die, did it? (actually, the body apparently didn't really "die" either; it was reportedly seen walking and talking, even eating fish, a couple of days later).

somms, god was "in" on the plan. He knew it was all a bit of a magician's trick, a disappearing act, and Jesus would pop up from a hole under the stage a couple of days later, better than ever, to surprise the audience.

Mageth · 03-11-2003, 12:48 PM

It also says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I assume that covers rape.

Actually, I thought about that when I read the post, but left it for you to point out (with, perhaps, the help of my little hint).

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas · 03-11-2003, 12:59 PM

Hawkingfan,

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God "loved" the world, so he murdered an innocent person, or else sins would not be forgiven? That's love?

It was man who murdered Jesus...not God. God forgave man of all his sins...to any who honestly accept it.

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If god "loved" the world, why can't he forgive sins WITHOUT bloodshed like everyone else?

He did. It was man who caused bloodshed...not God.

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Do YOU require bloodshed in order to forgive someone?

No. Neither does God.

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Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas · 03-11-2003, 01:00 PM

Mageth,

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It also says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I assume that covers rape.

Actually, I thought about that when I read the post, but left it for you to point out (with, perhaps, the help of my little hint).

Thanks for the freebie man.

SOMMS

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03-11-2003, 12:22 PM	#74
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	I see. The Bible also doesn't say that we shouldn't kill people with chainsaws. Does this mean the Bible condones killing people with chainsaws? Actually, it does. It says "Thou shalt not kill." I assume that covers killing with any weapon.

03-11-2003, 12:47 PM	#77
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	His son was nailed to a cross and stabbed to death after being tortured and mocked. Actually, that was a human body. The "God" part didn't die, did it? (actually, the body apparently didn't really "die" either; it was reportedly seen walking and talking, even eating fish, a couple of days later). somms, god was "in" on the plan. He knew it was all a bit of a magician's trick, a disappearing act, and Jesus would pop up from a hole under the stage a couple of days later, better than ever, to surprise the audience.

03-11-2003, 12:48 PM	#78
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	It also says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I assume that covers rape. Actually, I thought about that when I read the post, but left it for you to point out (with, perhaps, the help of my little hint).

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