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SimplyAtheistic · 05-26-2003, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by keyser_soze
given the leeway that the "age window" provides, I think you are probably NOT prohibited as you think...but it would be best to research it. I think within a FEASIBLE limit, yes such relationships can occur. But you and I have a much narrower window of age range than Pat, wherein lies the debate. And yes, I think we are in agreement.

Resolution met. By chance did you perform the exercise, it has value beyond the immediate question. Give it a try.

Therein lies a problem though. Should the government restrict freedoms for the greater good, or should it protect freedom at all cost. Obviously concessions must be made, but you can see where some people do not appreciate the law.
Jake

yguy · 05-26-2003, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by Pat Kelly
My frend john and i would be required to be naked wile his folks played with us and we with each other. Sometimes other peopel would come by and join in the fun. This went on untel i was about 13 and we moved away.

"Dirty diaper syndrome" wasn't a mitigating factor for these folks, huh?

Oh yeah, he'd have been out of diapers by that time. My mistake.

keyser_soze · 05-26-2003, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by JakeJohnson
Also, the legal drinking age should be lowered to 18. If one is responsible enough to die for his country, he is responsible enough to drink.No. You forget, there is often more than one casualty in drunk driving accidents. Please guess as to whether or not the other injury/fatality volunteered to be in the situation The draft increases death greatly, should we ban that? Absolutely, it should never have been instituted in the first place. That was an example of poor thinking skills. Losses that were experienced when the age was lowered to 18 were acceptable, nothing horrible like 25% of all 18 year olds. Did they think the first few years would be easy? I personally believe the government should have no rule in this type of matter, as it infringes upon no one's rights and is a decision made by the person to buy the alcohol.Again, think about the other victims in these accidents. Oddly enough, a lot of the drunk teens survive, while innocent pedestrians/drivers in other cars/same car end up dead...You have to ponder ALL of the collateral factors...not as simple as at first is it? Sure they may drive into someone and kill them, but they should be punished accordingly. I highly oppose this law.Would you oppose it as much if the one they "may drive into and kill" was you or a family member? These laws got brought into place--DESPITE a LOT of opposition, because several thousand people who had lost their children found the price for your ability to throw back a pint was too high for them. Think about it.
Jake

Pat Kelly · 05-26-2003, 05:34 PM

Firsthand Accounts Case 4:

I am a 12 year old girl. I started having the most wonderful sex with my cousin Jeannie when I was 7. she was 13. she is now 18 and we still have such wonderful sex together. I know I will be much better prepared in life because of it. I am not confused or repressed or would I want to have anything different.

SimplyAtheistic · 05-26-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by yguy
"Dirty diaper syndrome" wasn't a mitigating factor for these folks, huh?

Oh yeah, he'd have been out of diapers by that time. My mistake.

Hey , while your around yguy, why don't you respond to the "what is a soul" thread, seems you have stopped from participating in the discussion.
Jake

yguy · 05-26-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by JakeJohnson
Hey , while your around yguy, why don't you respond to the "what is a soul" thread, seems you have stopped from participating in the discussion.
Jake

Of course I have. It's a waste of time. The subject is closed as far as you and I are concerned.

keyser_soze · 05-26-2003, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by JakeJohnson
Therein lies a problem though. Should the government restrict freedoms for the greater good, or should it protect freedom at all cost. Obviously concessions must be made, but you can see where some people do not appreciate the law.
Jake

Let me guess, you didn't bother to look up the latin...

The safety of the people is the HIGHEST law. --cicero

Your freedom ends where mine begins, where my daughter's begins, where my wife's begins.....etc. My freedoms end where yours be....well, you get the point. Should my freedom to indulge in whatever I feel appropriate infringe on YOUR rights to live and let live? The country is obsessed with freedom of everything, while overlooking the NEED for order. We are also not free to rape, rob, and murder. There is a reason for this. I know the laws chafe you now, they did me as well, but I later saw the necessity for them. I cannot make you see them, you have to do that on your own. But I promise, on my honor, that they are of more value than you can appreciate right now.

keyser_soze · 05-26-2003, 05:38 PM

whoops here too.

lunachick · 05-26-2003, 05:40 PM

Pat, you could've written those yourself. Where are the sources?

Pat Kelly · 05-26-2003, 05:40 PM

Firsthand Accounts Case 5:

I am a 40 yr old gay male and I had sexual encounters with a single adult male from about age 11 to 16. I did enjoy the sex that happened at least once a week, but the fact that it was so taboo and hidden still haunts me today.

Because society made us hide, it has taken me 25 years to stop hidding, not only concerning sex but from any type of human contact.

I am sure if my sexual begins had not been a mortal sin in the eyes of the world around me, that my adult sexual experiences and interaction with humans in general would have not been so difficult. Hiding can be deadly result of a adult/child interaction.

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05-26-2003, 05:34 PM	#264
Pat Kelly Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 134	Firsthand Accounts Case 4: I am a 12 year old girl. I started having the most wonderful sex with my cousin Jeannie when I was 7. she was 13. she is now 18 and we still have such wonderful sex together. I know I will be much better prepared in life because of it. I am not confused or repressed or would I want to have anything different.

05-26-2003, 05:38 PM	#268
keyser_soze Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: god's judge (pariah) Posts: 1,281	whoops here too.

05-26-2003, 05:40 PM	#269
lunachick Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NZ Posts: 7,895	Pat, you could've written those yourself. Where are the sources?

05-26-2003, 05:40 PM	#270
Pat Kelly Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 134	Firsthand Accounts Case 5: I am a 40 yr old gay male and I had sexual encounters with a single adult male from about age 11 to 16. I did enjoy the sex that happened at least once a week, but the fact that it was so taboo and hidden still haunts me today. Because society made us hide, it has taken me 25 years to stop hidding, not only concerning sex but from any type of human contact. I am sure if my sexual begins had not been a mortal sin in the eyes of the world around me, that my adult sexual experiences and interaction with humans in general would have not been so difficult. Hiding can be deadly result of a adult/child interaction.

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