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tdekeyser · 02-07-2003, 06:24 AM

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Originally posted by christ-on-a-stick
LOL tdkeyser..... all I could think when I saw your thread title was "dude...they so picked the wrong guy to witness to!!!"

I like how you kinda strung 'em along for a couple minutes before pulling out the big guns.

Yeah, I did string them along for a bit. ha ha ha!

I just wanted to make a point, and I still think they missed it. Oh well, it only was a 9-10 min conversation, so only so much could be said. Besides, it was cold outside....

RufusAtticus · 02-07-2003, 06:43 AM

Wow you missed out, they had the month of May.

beyelzu · 02-08-2003, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by Writer@Large
"When Hank kicks the shit out of you I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's ass for you, you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater."

--W@L

damn what a great link, I laughed my ass off.

as to the op, I generally enjoy being approached by xians, they are hardly ever prepared for an atheist who knows the bible.

Amie · 02-08-2003, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by tdekeyser
Well, I am a very happy person and I see myself as accepting all faiths. I also have a lot of acceptance for many, many groups and their ways of life. I try not to think bad of other faiths

Good for you!!!

Radorth · 02-08-2003, 09:48 AM

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Ok then, can I believe that no one is a sinner? Can I believe that everyone would go to heaven? Can I believe that homosexuality is perfectly natural? Can I believe that all faiths are correct? Can I believe exactly what I read in the bible? Such as God killed all his creation with a flood, including babies? Can I believe in abortion? I mean if god can kill millions of babies, then it must be ok right? Can I believe that there is no hell? Can I believe in sex and NO marriage?

And they say atheists have no belief system.

I bet all but three older, wiser atheists here have the same belief system which inspired the above. "There ain't no sinners. Abortion is right. God murders babies. Homosexuality is natural There ain't no hell. Sex outside of marriage is okeydokey."

Don't forget "Can I still believe Bush is a nutball? Can I still believe conservatives have wrecked the country forever and taken away all our freedoms? Can I believe the founders were all closet deists? Can I still believe in my pet evolutionary theory even if Darwin said it was impossible?"

Well they're consistent about some things anyway. (Yawn)

The irony is gonna kill me.

Rad

Bumble Bee Tuna · 02-08-2003, 10:33 AM

I'm not sure why you think that just by putting things into a hokey style of language it will suddenly seem like you're making a point.

In the first paragraph, all of the things mentioned are perfectly reasonable, and are the absence of belief, not a belief system.

In the second paragraph, you exagerrate things way out of proportion. If that's not a strawman, I don't know what is. Do you ever actually read what the people write here?

-B

lpetrich · 02-08-2003, 11:02 AM

Radorth:
And they say atheists have no belief system.

Nearly 100.000% of the convinced atheists in our society believe that the Earth is approximately spherical -- does that make belief in the Earth's sphericity a necessary part of atheism?

I bet all but three older, wiser atheists here have the same belief system which inspired the above. "There ain't no sinners. Abortion is right. God murders babies. Homosexuality is natural There ain't no hell. Sex outside of marriage is okeydokey."

If one believes that one's consciousness ends at death, then one believes that there can be no hell to go to after death. It's like how the roundness of the Earth makes irrelevant the question of what is beyond its edges, because a round object has no edges.

As to "sin", I wonder what that is supposed to be.

And how is being "older, wiser" supposed to make a big difference?

Don't forget "Can I still believe Bush is a nutball? Can I still believe conservatives have wrecked the country forever and taken away all our freedoms? Can I believe the founders were all closet deists? Can I still believe in my pet evolutionary theory even if Darwin said it was impossible?"

Radorth has never heard of Ayn Rand, it would seem; she had been a fervently pro-capitalist atheist.

Also, whatever our Founding Fathers' religious beliefs had been, they had no intention of creating a state church, some official Church of God the American. (as in the belief that god is an American)

And Charles Darwin never claimed that evolution was impossible. Radorth appears to be swallowing an out-of-context quote that creationists are fond of making; Darwin started out a discussion of the evolution of the eye by noting how seemingly impossible it may seem.

Furthermore, despite his great achievements, Darwin is NOT considered an infallible prophet. Such a view is pure projection.

beoba · 02-08-2003, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by tdekeyser
I just wanted to make a point, and I still think they missed it.

They probably just wanted you to talk, to create an image of being friendly.

Daggah · 02-08-2003, 08:40 PM

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Can I still believe in my pet evolutionary theory even if Darwin said it was impossible?"

I'd just like to say that it is fucking pathetic that you're STILL trumping around your misquote of Darwin as if we HAVEN'T shown it for the dishonest - and irrelevant - bullshit it is.

Oh, I forgot...you abandoned that discussion, now, didn't you? Claimed you won when, in reality, you put your tail between your legs and ran. And now, here you are, parroting that same old BS. That's pretty dishonest.

But then again, so are the straw men - and you KNOW they're straw men - you're flinging around so carelessly here.

Radorth · 02-09-2003, 09:26 AM

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Oh, I forgot...you abandoned that discussion, now, didn't you?

Sure because nobody wanted to admit what Darwin was admitting. The two theories are totally contradictory, but hey, we all have to explain some things with faith.

You'll hear it again, so keep trolling.

Rad

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02-07-2003, 06:43 AM	#12
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	Wow you missed out, they had the month of May.

02-08-2003, 10:33 AM	#16
Bumble Bee Tuna Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Middletown, CT Posts: 7,333	I'm not sure why you think that just by putting things into a hokey style of language it will suddenly seem like you're making a point. In the first paragraph, all of the things mentioned are perfectly reasonable, and are the absence of belief, not a belief system. In the second paragraph, you exagerrate things way out of proportion. If that's not a strawman, I don't know what is. Do you ever actually read what the people write here? -B

02-08-2003, 11:02 AM	#17
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Radorth: And they say atheists have no belief system. Nearly 100.000% of the convinced atheists in our society believe that the Earth is approximately spherical -- does that make belief in the Earth's sphericity a necessary part of atheism? I bet all but three older, wiser atheists here have the same belief system which inspired the above. "There ain't no sinners. Abortion is right. God murders babies. Homosexuality is natural There ain't no hell. Sex outside of marriage is okeydokey." If one believes that one's consciousness ends at death, then one believes that there can be no hell to go to after death. It's like how the roundness of the Earth makes irrelevant the question of what is beyond its edges, because a round object has no edges. As to "sin", I wonder what that is supposed to be. And how is being "older, wiser" supposed to make a big difference? Don't forget "Can I still believe Bush is a nutball? Can I still believe conservatives have wrecked the country forever and taken away all our freedoms? Can I believe the founders were all closet deists? Can I still believe in my pet evolutionary theory even if Darwin said it was impossible?" Radorth has never heard of Ayn Rand, it would seem; she had been a fervently pro-capitalist atheist. Also, whatever our Founding Fathers' religious beliefs had been, they had no intention of creating a state church, some official Church of God the American. (as in the belief that god is an American) And Charles Darwin never claimed that evolution was impossible. Radorth appears to be swallowing an out-of-context quote that creationists are fond of making; Darwin started out a discussion of the evolution of the eye by noting how seemingly impossible it may seem. Furthermore, despite his great achievements, Darwin is NOT considered an infallible prophet. Such a view is pure projection.

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