wildernesse

But if I'm only defrauding myself, and it has no noticeable (negative) effect on anyone else, why does it matter?

--tibac

Starboy

In your particular case I agree and it is your business, but there are many of the devoted that post on this board that write as if they know the mind of god and make "truth" claims based on such. Without some good evidence to backup such claims it at least stinks to high heaven if it isn't outright fraud. What amazes me is that such behavior is so well accepted in our society that few call them on it.

Starboy

Goliath

Jamie_L,

If the theist offered logical proof, and if the logical proof was correct, then I would no longer be an atheist. However, I have yet to see such a proof. The other two kinds of "proof" are not proof of anything.

Only in the latter two cases.

No, I'm saying that the theist's proof is incorrect (assuming said theist has not provided a correct proof).

My only question is: when are you going to stop putting words in my mouth? When will you stop trying (and pathetically failing) to read my mind?

This is your problem, not mine.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Biff the unclean

Excuse me, but didn't we just go through a lengthy post about condescension towards others, namely Atheists?
And if you are defrauding yourself and don't wish stop defrauding yourself then where is integrity?

The AntiChris

So you're happy to pronounce the proof "incorrect", whereas you're not prepared to say theist is "wrong" in believing it to be correct.

Odd.

Chris

Jamie_L

Goliath,

Peace, brother. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I'm just pointing out that no matter what we may feel about our atheism, it can still come across as an attack on a theist position. Even if that is not our intent. Even if that is not the fact of the matter. Theists can interpret these positions as statements of the error of their thinking. Even your stance, which is about as benign as you can get from this perspective, will come across as a statement to the effect that the theist is not thinking straight.

I wasn't trying to tell you what you think, I was trying to point out that from the perspective of other people, weak atheism such as yours still may not be weak enough to make them feel like you don't disagree with them. Because, in the end, you don't agree with them.

Sorry to ruffle your feathers. I'll shut up now.

Jamie

wildernesse

How is my question condescending? I guess you'll have to speak slowly to me, because I'm not getting what you are trying to say.

I've yet to find that I'm defrauding myself.

--tibac

Goliath

The AntiChris,

Whether the theist believes their proof correct or not is irrelevant. What is important is whether or not said proof is correct.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Goliath

Jamie_L,

Good. =)

Agreed. I've never said otherwise.

No biggie, and no feathers ruffled.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Biff the unclean

How is my question condescending?
Your question was not what was condescending.
But if I'm only defrauding myself, and it has no noticeable (negative) effect on anyone else, why does it matter?
The condescension is the negative effect you are having on other people. The one several of us have confirmed that we feel but you simply dismiss. It has to do with your presuppositions of the need for forgiveness. Did you notice when I turned your statements around and stated that Methodists were in need of forgiveness for not believing what I do (the IPU) just how negative that was? How demeaning towards Methodists? How my saying that I was calling you an idiot only out of "Atheist love," was insulting, and not a loving thing at all?
Well when Christians do these things in earnest it has a noticeable negative effect on Atheists, even though the Christians are proud of themselves for behaving in that manner.