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MortalWombat

Apikorus, do you still think the second part of the inscription looks like it's from a different hand from the first after seeing the clearer picture in BAR?

godfry n. glad

First, thank you, Apikorus, for your balanced approach to the unfolding claims and associated evidence. I have greatly appreciated your efforts.

I'm most interested in this aspect of your prior statement:

Since so much has been loaded upon this prior ossuarial mention, does anyone know what it is?
Who are the brothers mentioned and how is it known _why_ the brother is mentioned? It just keeps getting mentioned that there was one, but no one has produced that inscription or explained its importance.

I don't see how it can be known that the Jesus of the James ossuary inscription was appended to the inscription because of his notoriety. Neither do I understand how that notoriety can be connected to the founder figure of Christianity when there were so many Jesuses during that time and many of them held important posts. Even if they did not hold such posts and were not notorious in the community, importance within the family group could have led to such an inscription...without it having been _the_ Jesus of the Christian genesis.

godfry n. glad

Vorkosigan

Who said anything about Christinanity being the sole motivation? Really, Layman, you lack imagination and understanding of scholarship. Lemaire does not need to convert to Christianity to want this to come up as the authentic Jesus evidence for two reasons (1) because his reputation is now at stake, and a fraud will damage it; and (2) because the $$ worth of the ossuary will leap dramatically; and, (3) because his reputation will leap dramatically if it can be demonstrated to be a genuine inscription that can be plausibly used to support Christianity.

Note that I am not accusing Lemaire personally. I am merely sketching plausible alternatives to "conversion to Christianity." What is BAR's position on Christianity?

What I was getting at is that the article must be vetted; apparently no one noticed among the many (christian) people who must have read it that Lemaire's "reasoning" is circular and his statistics screwy. Somebody had to swallow his own principles to let nonsense like that get out on the street. Somewhere in there, someone is lying.

Apikorus; the only real question is not whether a daleth is an ayin, it is whether Altman's comments that two different hands worked on the inscription are correct. After seeing the fine photos, in your opinion, is that true or not?

Vorkosigan

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Layman

Okay. Let's use this as a test of your honesty. Because the answer is that YOU implied very strongly that Christianity was their motivation:

Especially when they are faith committed to evade, lie and destroy truth wherever it conflicts with their beliefs. And especially when the miscue dovetails so elegantly with their beliefs.

Layman

Does this mean you still have not read the article in issue? Or do I need to keep asking and you'll finally answer after you have read it?

Greg2003

Has it occurred to anyone to ask; if there are only 20 people in a generation in Jerusalem at the time that could be named James or Jacob, where is the mighty empire of jews that populated the Davidic and Solomonic Empires, where are the masses of jewish people who returned from the babylonian exile, where are Abraham's sands of the sea shore, just how few people has god chosen?

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Vorkosigan

Yes, but I was referring to BAR, not Lemaire. The original comment was "BAR is lying."

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Vorkosigan

I haven't seen it yet. But I can tell from lemaire's conclusion that his statstical analysis is wrong. Don't need to read an article to know if it is wrong, if the conclusion is wrong. Additionally, I am no handwriting expert, and Apikorus knows more than I do.

Vorkosigan

Layman

Lemarie wrote the article at issue. And BAR's Editor-In-Chief is a Jew, not a Christian.

How could BAR be lying and Lemarie be telling the truth when Lemarie is the expert on this and wrote the article?

"Yes, but...." indeed.