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Old 06-27-2002, 04:00 PM   #21
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Sadly I’m led to believe that such exchanges are not uncommon, but because they are considered low key verbal issues from children, they do not receive high profile. The Age article claims that the problem is very widely understated and remains a taboo topic. The article opened with mock dismissiveness with a teacher being bodily shoved as students decided to leave a class early.

Just as parents do not easily admit to difficult children for fear of their perceived failure, teachers also seem reluctant to raise the problem, although this may be partly from lack of support by the department. Increasingly teaching here seems to have grown into a part social-worker part carer role, enabling some parents to absolve themselves of their own responsibilities.

I hope Bucharest hasn’t entered into these problems, however I think they are a growing problem in many countries where Political Correctness has come dominate the education industry.

Painfully aware of the risks, but I think there’s still a place for “common sense” & some of the old fashioned values without swinging the pendulum back too far.
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Punks like that 16 year old shouldn't be in normal schools anyway. They should be sent to some military school or something. Nor do we need teachers who can be easily provoked to violence in our public schools.

Both of them should be expelled, in my opinion.
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Old 06-28-2002, 05:35 AM   #23
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I hope Bucharest hasn’t entered into these problems, however I think they are a growing problem in many countries where Political Correctness has come dominate the education industry.

Educational problems in Bucharest are of such a different nature (though no less painful) that I doubt that many would care here. (Sorry for my bitterness).

Just 2 hints about what OUR political correctness is all about:
a) Insidious church interferation.
b) Opressive state arbitrariness.

Plus the brave facade of a young democracy.

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Old 06-28-2002, 06:07 AM   #24
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The student should have been taught a lesson through coercion, yes, but not through
violence. Children raised in violence will grow to be violent grownups - it's fact.
Although this is often true, I would like to suggest that it may be more a result of genetics than environment.

The kid deserved to be beaten. And the only way to rid the world of such violent actions, (the action of the kid pushing and threatening rape), might be to start castrating violent people. (Eugenics).

I'm not too sure ANY environment can truly remove the violence in some people.

Sorry if that's not the current PC line.
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<emphryio> Although this is often true, I would like to suggest that it may be more a result of genetics than environment.

<Laurentius> Yes, it may. It is in some proven cases.

<emphryio> The kid deserved to be beaten. And the only way to rid the world of such violent actions, (the action of the kid pushing and threatening rape), might be to start castrating violent people. (Eugenics). I'm not too sure ANY environment can truly remove the violence in some people.

<Laurentius> Well, the question is who should decide who to be castrated and who not to? And what if you were next? (You know, by the arbitrariness that any such regime would foster...)

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Public School’s discipline problems date back to the 1960s when education was crowned the regal curator of the Great Society. A central tenant of the Great Society linked corporal punishment with violence under the dogma of folk psychology. The tenants of a Zero Tolerance Policy for corporal punishment drove home the policy. Public school bureaucracy, curriculum, higher education, and social services dogmatically pursued behavior modification techniques, critical thinking, positive rewards and counseling as a viable alternative; even as public schools have found it necessary to be refit with metal detectors, security cameras, armed guards and drug sniffing dogs. From the context of zero tolerance the framework of a “fair fight” has lost all meaning, and subsequently rendered the rules that governed escalation of violence archaic. Without rules to define a “fair fight” a stray word, gesture, colored shirt or misunderstood expression can escalate to the use of deadly or sexual force. The idea of castrating children that suffer under the inept policies of academic pin heads, squeamish educators and bureaucrats offends me. I guess that’s why we have drug companies.
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