Freethought & Rationalism Archive

Radorth · 03-05-2003, 06:08 PM

Re Jack:

Quote:

So forget everything about "taking your sins away" and "imputing righteousness". This isn't going to happen. You're now in a scenario in which the main gods are personifications of universal forces and principles, they don't care about petty human concerns. Only the lesser ones do, and they have you slated for reincarnation as a cockroach due to your rejection of Hinduism (much stronger than our mere unbelief in Hinduism: I'm coming back as a monkey, you need to work your way back up through the animal kingdom over centuries). But you've caught Kali's eye and she's considering torturing you for a while, and maybe biting a few legs off your cockroach form.

I already answered this I think. I clearly said I would be no theist without those things you are telling me to forget. If you are asking if I personally saw her and knew her to be creator God of the universe (somehow, which is not explained) I would ask her who Jesus was, and why he died, and make my decision after that I suppose. If she was going to turn me into a cockroach and let me work off my Karma, I'd probably say "Go ahead, I need a savior or I'll never get there."

My faith is based on the writings of the apostles plus a mystical experience, but primarily the offer Jesus made on the cross.

Hindus have a "Gee I hope I go to heaven if I do enough good works," so, knowing me, I probably never would have believed in it.

Rad

Fiach · 03-05-2003, 06:57 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Radorth
Oh get off it Fiach. When you compare atheist's 40,000,000+ political murders

What evidence do you have with that number? Besides the 30 years war, the Christian-Muslims wars, the Cromwellian wars of extermination killing about 2,000,000 Scots, Irish, and English Catholics, the witches burned, dissenters executed, American natives killed, plus the 20 million killed by Christian Adolf Hitler, the figure likely far exceeds 40,000,000.

with Christians who actually read the Bible, your assertions are hardly worth answering. To make it stick, you have to define a Christian as anyone who thinks so, and has never read or understood the NT for themselves. We get to break table legs and be rude and sarcastic at most.

Your response is what I expect from a Christian apologist. You deny the history that your kind actually recorded with pride. You lace your response with violence metaphors which also does not surprise me. I may get sarcastic but I don't break table legs. Is that what you do at KKK meetings, before going after some "enemy?"

But I'm sure no atheist will note either the totally irrelevant nature of the comments, nor the height of your soapbox.

You, a raving fundy proposes to speak for Atheists?

HUMANS WITH TOO MUCH POWER AND NO MORAL CONVICTIONS MURDER OTHER HUMANS BY THE MILLIONS. ALWAYS HAVE, ALWAYS WILL.

But add Christianity or Islam to the mix and you quadruple the death and the senseless violence that follows. You have every right to hate and insult me. I don't care. But please spare me the bollocks of "Jesus loves you" , or the "God Bless" rubbish.

Fiach

Radorth · 03-05-2003, 07:28 PM

Oops, double post.

Radorth · 03-05-2003, 07:32 PM

Fiach, you didn't know that Communists killed more than 40,000,000 people in order to stay in power? Really? That's on atheist websites.

Quote:

plus the 20 million killed by Christian Adolf Hitler, the figure likely far exceeds 40,000,000.

Fiach definition of a Christian:

"Anybody who says so."

Er, aren't atheists supposed to base their conclusions on provable assertions?

Shucks, if you get to make assertions with no evidence other than a person's personal affirmation, why are we wasting all this time asking questions?

So, if I say I'm an atheist, or a Libetarian or a Democrat, to prove an argument of this importance, it must be so. Right?

I'd bet a few bucks you're a 22 year old Jesus-myther too. They tend to have virtually no ability to detect their own unsupportable assumptions.

Quote:

You lace your response with violence metaphors which also does not surprise me.

You just lost the argument, and any respect I had for you. What an incredibly cowardly statement.

Rad

Radorth · 03-05-2003, 07:50 PM

Quote:

but you`re the one who keeps trying to redeem yourself by arguing small technicalities.

Which is precisely what you will do should you ever have to read my list of your misquotes. I only have six so far, but I want to find where you quoted me as saying I had the only rational arguments. I don't suppose you'd like to tell me where it is, as I don't want to misquote you.

We can stop anytime.

Rad

Radorth · 03-05-2003, 07:51 PM

Oh my God Fenton. Even your fans are leaving! We should quit.

Rad

Yellum Notnef · 03-05-2003, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Radorth
Fiach definition of a Christian:

"Anybody who says so."

Er, aren't atheists supposed to base their conclusions on provable assertions?

Could you pleae explain where we might find the "Christian test"? Where in the bible or Christian doctrine is that?
If someone professes faith in Jesus then they are a Christian. If you are going to argue that people who are jerks are not Christians,I guess you`ll have to stop calling yourself a Christian.

Quote:

Shucks, if you get to make assertions with no evidence other than a person's personal affirmation, why are we wasting all this time asking questions?

Again,what evidence do we have for this except a persons word?

Quote:

So, if I say I'm an atheist, or a Libetarian or a Democrat, to prove an argument of this importance, it must be so. Right?

If thats what you say you are than thats what you say you are. Why should we doubt you? Why should we immediately expect that you`re just fucking with us? Why should we expect a person is lying at all?

Quote:

I'd bet a few bucks you're a 22 year old Jesus-myther too. They tend to have virtually no ability to detect their own unsupportable assumptions.

Your bitter hatred is showing again.

Quote:

You just lost the argument, and any respect I had for you. What an incredibly cowardly statement.

He lost the argument simply because you`ve decided he has? Thats one of the more ridiculous things you`ve said all day

Yellum Notnef · 03-05-2003, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Radorth
Which is precisely what you will do should you ever have to read my list of your misquotes. I only have six so far, but I want to find where you quoted me as saying I had the only rational arguments. I don't suppose you'd like to tell me where it is, as I don't want to misquote you.

We can stop anytime.

Rad

Bring on the quotes little man. You don`t intimidate me and I don`t think this is funny at all.

Btw,
You telling people you had the most rational argument(s) was just a few days ago. It might have been in the thread where you were teaching us all how "the razor" works.

Fiach · 03-05-2003, 08:19 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Radorth
Fiach, you didn't know that Communists killed more than 40,000,000 people in order to stay in power? Really? That's on atheist websites.

Show me just one, that is not a Christian sham site.

Fiach definition of a Christian:

"Anybody who says so."

[B]Er, aren't atheists supposed to base their conclusions on provable assertions?]/B]

Amazing, Atheists are not required to base or even have conclusions. Atheism is simply lack of belief in God(s). Atheists may be communist, liberals, libertarians, Labourites, Tories, American Democrats, and American Republicans. But we can't belong to the KKK and Aryan Nations because they don't accept atheists. My estimates of the number killed by Chrsitianity were as I implied estimates. Many were concealed by Christian Theocracies. If 4 million or 40 million were killed by Atheists, they were killed by Communists as communists not atheists. People were killed for the political ideology of Communism, a totalitarian, socialistic economic system not because of belief or unbelief in God. The major opposition to communism came not from Christians but the atheistic Secular Humanist movement in people like Andre Sakarov. American forces fighting communists in Korea were 10% Atheists. They died in similar numbers as others. In Vietnam, 10% of the American Soldiers were Atheists in Foxholes. I have information from the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers (MAAF) in the USA.

Shucks, if you get to make assertions with no evidence other than a person's personal affirmation, why are we wasting all this time asking questions?

What the fuck do you want? Some DNA test that separates Chrsitians from Atheists? We must take their word for their subjective beliefs. Some may lie but the odds are more likely that if someone says he is Christian and accepts Jesus as Lord and Saviour, we tend to believe him. If I deny god belief, most people tend to believe me. If I were in the USA, there would b no advantages in admitting Atheism, but definite social negatives.

So, if I say I'm an atheist, or a Libetarian or a Democrat, to prove an argument of this importance, it must be so. Right?

You have no other choice, unless you have written articles praising Jesus and the Holy Ghost, in their handwriting. In your way of thinking, nobody is to be believed regarding subjective states. You would deny the cancer patient is in pain. You would deny that I am an Atheist. Do you deny that you are a Christian? After you know that you might be lying.

I'd bet a few bucks you're a 22 year old Jesus-myther too. They tend to have virtually no ability to detect their own unsupportable assumptions.

Of course you don't believe anyone about their stated beliefs. You deny that I am an Atheist. I suppose you would have to be consistent and deny the divinity of christ because "he said so" is not proven. So it makes any discussion useless. You are a near nihilist I suppose. You believe nobody about anything. Fine, if it suits you.

You just lost the argument, and any respect I had for you. What an incredibly cowardly statement.

Fortunately you lost no respect in my eyes. I didn't have any in the beginning. I had you pegged as an irrational thinker from the start. You said "you just lost the argument," but of course we can't believe that because you said it. It is a subjective opinion.

Question: Why do you come to this forum? Is it just to troll for Atheists and agnostics? If you are here to proselytise you are a miserable failure. But the interchange with you, makes me thank my parents for the superior genes that they gave me.

Fiach

Yellum Notnef · 03-05-2003, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Radorth
I've decided you are right about that, and that the Rad police have a different motive. However I will avoid the flame war which would surely start if I dared to mention it.

Can we please get to the hidden motives of the "Rad police"?
I assure that we couldn`t dislike you anymore than we already do,so why not just be out with it?

If you`ve got something to say then say it. Don`t just shake your balls at us and then run back in the house.

03-05-2003, 06:57 PM	#312
Fiach Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 602	Who has killed more? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Radorth Oh get off it Fiach. When you compare atheist's 40,000,000+ political murders What evidence do you have with that number? Besides the 30 years war, the Christian-Muslims wars, the Cromwellian wars of extermination killing about 2,000,000 Scots, Irish, and English Catholics, the witches burned, dissenters executed, American natives killed, plus the 20 million killed by Christian Adolf Hitler, the figure likely far exceeds 40,000,000. with Christians who actually read the Bible, your assertions are hardly worth answering. To make it stick, you have to define a Christian as anyone who thinks so, and has never read or understood the NT for themselves. We get to break table legs and be rude and sarcastic at most. Your response is what I expect from a Christian apologist. You deny the history that your kind actually recorded with pride. You lace your response with violence metaphors which also does not surprise me. I may get sarcastic but I don't break table legs. Is that what you do at KKK meetings, before going after some "enemy?" But I'm sure no atheist will note either the totally irrelevant nature of the comments, nor the height of your soapbox. You, a raving fundy proposes to speak for Atheists? HUMANS WITH TOO MUCH POWER AND NO MORAL CONVICTIONS MURDER OTHER HUMANS BY THE MILLIONS. ALWAYS HAVE, ALWAYS WILL. But add Christianity or Islam to the mix and you quadruple the death and the senseless violence that follows. You have every right to hate and insult me. I don't care. But please spare me the bollocks of "Jesus loves you" , or the "God Bless" rubbish. Fiach

03-05-2003, 08:19 PM	#319
Fiach Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 602	You inability to think rationally is amusiing. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Radorth Fiach, you didn't know that Communists killed more than 40,000,000 people in order to stay in power? Really? That's on atheist websites. Show me just one, that is not a Christian sham site. Fiach definition of a Christian: "Anybody who says so." [B]Er, aren't atheists supposed to base their conclusions on provable assertions?]/B] Amazing, Atheists are not required to base or even have conclusions. Atheism is simply lack of belief in God(s). Atheists may be communist, liberals, libertarians, Labourites, Tories, American Democrats, and American Republicans. But we can't belong to the KKK and Aryan Nations because they don't accept atheists. My estimates of the number killed by Chrsitianity were as I implied estimates. Many were concealed by Christian Theocracies. If 4 million or 40 million were killed by Atheists, they were killed by Communists as communists not atheists. People were killed for the political ideology of Communism, a totalitarian, socialistic economic system not because of belief or unbelief in God. The major opposition to communism came not from Christians but the atheistic Secular Humanist movement in people like Andre Sakarov. American forces fighting communists in Korea were 10% Atheists. They died in similar numbers as others. In Vietnam, 10% of the American Soldiers were Atheists in Foxholes. I have information from the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers (MAAF) in the USA. Shucks, if you get to make assertions with no evidence other than a person's personal affirmation, why are we wasting all this time asking questions? What the fuck do you want? Some DNA test that separates Chrsitians from Atheists? We must take their word for their subjective beliefs. Some may lie but the odds are more likely that if someone says he is Christian and accepts Jesus as Lord and Saviour, we tend to believe him. If I deny god belief, most people tend to believe me. If I were in the USA, there would b no advantages in admitting Atheism, but definite social negatives. So, if I say I'm an atheist, or a Libetarian or a Democrat, to prove an argument of this importance, it must be so. Right? You have no other choice, unless you have written articles praising Jesus and the Holy Ghost, in their handwriting. In your way of thinking, nobody is to be believed regarding subjective states. You would deny the cancer patient is in pain. You would deny that I am an Atheist. Do you deny that you are a Christian? After you know that you might be lying. I'd bet a few bucks you're a 22 year old Jesus-myther too. They tend to have virtually no ability to detect their own unsupportable assumptions. Of course you don't believe anyone about their stated beliefs. You deny that I am an Atheist. I suppose you would have to be consistent and deny the divinity of christ because "he said so" is not proven. So it makes any discussion useless. You are a near nihilist I suppose. You believe nobody about anything. Fine, if it suits you. You just lost the argument, and any respect I had for you. What an incredibly cowardly statement. Fortunately you lost no respect in my eyes. I didn't have any in the beginning. I had you pegged as an irrational thinker from the start. You said "you just lost the argument," but of course we can't believe that because you said it. It is a subjective opinion. Question: Why do you come to this forum? Is it just to troll for Atheists and agnostics? If you are here to proselytise you are a miserable failure. But the interchange with you, makes me thank my parents for the superior genes that they gave me. Fiach

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

03-05-2003, 07:28 PM	#313
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	Oops, double post.

03-05-2003, 07:51 PM	#316
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	Oh my God Fenton. Even your fans are leaving! We should quit. Rad

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.