Amos

shut up and be happy.

The Admiral

Forgive me Gemma for I have sinned.

After about 15 years I just re-read "A Canticle for Liebowitz" by 'walter M. Miller. I sat down with my morning coffee and started reading and finished it by early afternoon. This is a very thought provoking book. Please read it gemma.

The Admiral

Radorth

Can we have a crumb from your table on how we might have done that? I have virtually no problem with the Creed.

No Amos, the problem is that right after it was written, the pagan world flooded into the church via Constantine. The ship was in the sea as it were, but then the sea got into the ship and sank her. And so it is we start seeing idolatry, carved images, phony relics, ascriptural "revelations" such as the assumption and immaculate conception, and as Bill called them, "miracles" having the aura of worldly magic in them. (Virtually none of whch we find in the Bible)

Thus the Creed stands as the last declaration of a "Pope" which Protestants can honestly say they agree with. After that, we find far more Christians than Bibles to read, and Popes start having pagan-like "revelations" and knocking off people who complain, and saints become object of worship. And not until each Christian can hear, read and decide for himself, does anything change.

Rad

Gemma Therese

Admiral,

Why must I forgive you, and why do you need forgiveness in the first place? I have no qualms about reading Katha Pollitt.

Gemma Therese

happyboy

wow, amos: for over a month now, you've spouted the most incomprehensible gibberish, and when you FINALLY speak in plain english, you're angry about it. wow. guess underneath all that mystical gibberish, you're just another human, with human foibles. my how easily mystical insight disappears when one gets angry......

a very amused happyboy

The Admiral

Gemma

It was a poor jest, but it was a jest.

Who is Katha Pollit? I have heard the name but that is all. Do you recommend that I read her?

The Admiral

Gemma Therese

Katha Pollitt is the "atheist-in-chief" at The Nation. She writes a column. I love her writing style. Only problem is, I disagree with 99% of what she says!

She comes highly recommended. Try her book Subject To Debate (a collection of her columns).

Gemma Therese

The Admiral

Thank you Gemma

I recognise the name now. I'm sure I have read some of her columns.

Gemma, why do you spend so much time on this forum?

The Admiral

Amos

The creed is a metaphor just as the Bible and as the Immaculate Conception, Assumption, Coronation and Virgin Birth.

No magic but the supernatural interpeted with conventional words to foreshadow believers who in their own time are to meet these as a reality in the natural world when they as believers transcend human understanding in their own way through contemplation or inspiration (we have contemplative masters as well).

Catholics do not care if protestants agree with them or not, never have and never will. We are in charge of our own destiny as an infallible entity under God.

Christians hear, read and decide? Like getting born again many times and if it doesn't catch try it again? Or spending millions of dollars on preparing and "Exodus" for Jews to come out of the USSR? Or having the bible translated into 12 languages to serve New Guinea alone so Jesus Christ can come again?

I have a suggestion for you: Start saving the whales if the sign of Jonah is the only sign given for the second coming.

Here are some metaphysics to ponder:

The Immaculate Conception signifies that rebirth was incipient from God as per John 1:13.

The Virgin Birth means that salvation came as a thief in the night because it was incipient from God. No spiritual fornication, earthly desire or eyes asquint towards salvation.

Assumption means that Mary, who was all woman and therefore without sin, has no corporeal body and therefore is Assumed back into heaven after she came down from heaven to lead us (sic) through purgatory, which now confirms that heaven is a place on earth.

Coronation means that we crown Mary queen of heaven and earth and therefore live in the new heaven and new earth. To do this we must have been at the Royal banquet where we met our Mary and drank of the wine that Jesus made (we say "through Mary to Jesus"), instead of the wine of Gods wrath poored in full strength in the cup of his anger -- which only is available to protestants and hence their torment.

If this is the Catholic way I can't see how anybody still wants to die before something good happens to them.

Amos

But I wasn't angry, I just thought that that was the extent of your conceptualization! Sorry, I'll try to elaborate on it next time.