brighid

Do you really not understand why it is wrong for ANY adult, custodial parent or not, to have sex with a child? A child is unable to enter in to binding contracts for a reason – they do not generally have the capacity to understand the logical consequences of “consent.” You state that you are a Christian and that premarital sex is a sin, wouldn’t that be grounds ENOUGH for the reasons why incestuous relationships between parent and child, and sex between priest and children are WRONG? Hmmm… perhaps the psychological damage incestuous relationships between parent and child cause to the developing psyche of the child, or violating the LAW, or I don’t know committing adultery since sex with your child is not sex with your spouse, or the damage it does to ones child!

A bigot is a person who obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his/her own opinions and prejudices and bigotry are the acts or beliefs characteristic of a bigot. Such as fallaciously equating homosexuality with unnatural behavior (such as it doesn’t exist in nature), that homosexuals are pedophiles by design and that homosexuals can choose to stop being homosexuals, that homosexuals want “special” and not equal rights, that homosexuals control the media and the universities, and that homosexuals are out to convert your children to their way of life and make everyone homosexual and therefore should be kept out of the Boy Scouts… just to name a few of the common prejudices expressed by bigots about homosexuals.

Brighid

GeoTheo

I know why
I think child molestation is wrong. I was just wondering why others do.
It is interesting that by your definition anyone who has a belief or judgement about the moral behaviors of others is a bigot.
You then are bigoted towards Christians and pedophiles.

GeoTheo

I also don't buy this arguement that there is not a broad range to normal human sexual behavior. And that there is some magical genetic on and off switch that determines ones sexual behavior as being either homo or hetero.
No one as yet has been able to convince me this is the case.

GeoTheo

Pedophiles don't seem to be able to stop molesting children, yet you pass moral judgment on them.
Are you not a bigot?

Godless Dave

No, by my definition anyone who has a belief or judgement about the moral behaviors of others without a good reason is a bigot.

I don't buy it either, and I don't think anyone on this thread is asserting it.

Godless Dave

Because molesting children hurts the children.

I pass moral judgement on adulterers, because adultery hurts the cuckolded spouse, and violates a promise made to said spouse to boot.

I don't pass moral judgement on unmarried people having sex, because premarital sex doesn't hurt anybody. That is, there's nothing inherently harmful about premarital sex.

I don't pass moral judgement on homosexuals, because homosexual sex doesn't hurt anybody.

As you may have guessed, I don't get my moral values from a book. Almost all of the time I use this simple formula:

"Does it hurt anybody?"

• Yes - immoral
• No - not immoral

I say almost because consensual incest and necrophilia don't fit well into this formula. (This week's <a href="http://citypages.com/savagelove/" target="_blank">Savage Love</a> addresses consensual incest). I guess on those cases I would fall back on psychiatric evidence that people who engage in incest and necrophilia are mentally ill, and homosexuals aren't.

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GeoTheo

Go back and read. Homosexual behavior is presented as being totally divorced from any kind of a choice.
And as for your distinction of bigots not having a good reason, that is so subjective that it is totally meaningless. Everyone thinks they have good reason for what they believe and think those who disagree with them don't. That is why this whole tolerance thing is just a smoke and mirrors game. Everyone is intolerant of that which they don't agree. To deny otherwise is to deny reality.

GeoTheo

I think homosexual behavior is harmfull to the participants in their position before God and is harmful to society. So I have good reason to be against it given my presuppositions

brighid

Why the outrage? Oh come on now …

Well, as a mother I find utterly revolting and morally reprehensible that there are people in this world who will attempt to prey upon the innocence of my child and use my child (and other children) in their perverted, sexual power trip and thereby deeply hurt the very fiber of my beloved child’s being. I am further outraged that society, and the very religious people who cry out against homosexuality treat child abuse if it were somehow a lesser crime or mortal sin. Or perhaps this is what Jesus meant when he said suffer the little children onto me …

I am outraged that grown men and women, who have the ability to treat other men and women with the same dignity they demand out of life willingly choose to withhold that dignity based on a SINGLE aspect of a persons character, an aspect that in my opinion bares absolutely no relevance on the worth or the strength of said persons character. And that they do so in the name of their “loving, merciful, compassionate” God! I personally find hypocrisy to be the worst of all vices and my moral outrage is compounded when such acts are done by those who claim THEE superior, moral high ground as dictated to them by a PERFECT deity!

Finally, because such thoughts and bigotry betray the very essence of freedom and liberty. If you are not willing to extend the exact same freedoms you enjoy to ALL people regardless of any prejudicial circumstance then you deserve neither liberty, nor your freedoms.

Brighid

“He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression: for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach unto himself.” Thomas Paine

Godless Dave

That's a different assertion. I agree that homosexual orientation as well as the wide range of bisexual orientations I've seen are not the result of choice. This is based on conversations with several gays and lesbians and by a layperson's reading of psychological evidence.