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pangloss · 03-18-2002, 05:54 AM

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Originally posted by Douglas J. Bender:
Ah, the infamous "Pangloss" - what a displeasure meeting you. Your viciousness and unreasonableness are legendary - I see that you waste no time in upholding your image.

Well, it is good to know that the usual hyperbolic innuendo has made the rounds...

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Now, here, nowhere have I said or implied that I "feel the need to prove the Bible with numbers and equations" - all I ever claimed is that I found two equations which, to an honest and discerning mind, would do so.

Right... Honest and discerning... 2+2=4, therefore, the bible is true! Ok...
Ever heard ofg Norman Bloom?

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By the way, I am completely "rational", and don't see why you proclaim that because you have an irrational mind, there is no convincing you - it's a nice gesture to admit your own faults, but it's quite out of character for the great Pangloss.

Oh boy - thats a clever one...

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Myself, mturner, bertvan, and the others at ARN are "simpletons"? Your slander was spoken like the noble and unassailable intellectual giant that you are not.

And another! get the record books, this guy is amazing!

Yes, I think you, bertvan and mturner are simpletons. I never claimed to be an intellectual giant, as I have never claimed to be able to 'disprove' this or that with my amazing discerning mind. Such self-aggrandizing proclamations are left in the realm of the IDiot....

MrDarwin · 03-18-2002, 05:54 AM

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Originally posted by Oolon Colluphid:

If you wish to continue that thread, just say, and I'll unarchive it (moderator�s privilege

Oolon, there may be no point as I believe scigirl has been taking a break from evo/cre for the past several weeks.

With the recent influx of ARN people on evo/cre I hope the moderators will encourage people to stay on-topic. If anybody is interested in discussing evolution, creationism, or even ID, I hope they will look at my questions in <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000465" target="_blank">this thread.</a>

[ March 18, 2002: Message edited by: MrDarwin ]

pangloss · 03-18-2002, 05:57 AM

Oh look - its leonard!

I wonder whom he will claim I am now....

Principia · 03-18-2002, 06:07 AM

Or me. <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" /> <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

SC

Douglas J. Bender · 03-18-2002, 06:29 AM

Pangloss,

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Yes, I think you, bertvan and mturner are simpletons.

So much for the trustworthiness of your judgment.

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I never claimed to be an intellectual giant, as I have never claimed to be able to 'disprove' this or that with my amazing discerning mind.

No, but you acted as though you were and could. And with relish.

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Such self-aggrandizing proclamations are left in the realm of the IDiot....

"Aggrandizing" - I hate that word. It's so choppy and ugly. Do you realize how difficult it is to use it in a poem? (Let me get my thesaurus, and maybe I can find a more poetic word for you to use when attacking others....)

[Edit - Okay, here ya go...Synonyms for "aggrandize":
EXALT 1, dignify, distinguish, ennoble, erect, glorify, honor, magnify, sublime, uprear. Might I suggest either "exalt" or "glorify", or perhaps "magnify"? I'd appreciate it. Thanks.]

In Christ,

Douglas

[ March 18, 2002: Message edited by: Douglas J. Bender ]

Principia · 03-18-2002, 06:38 AM

For the record,

I am hoping that a full, all-out flame war develops right here on Evo/Cre so that I can be found innocent of the accusations that I alone brought down ARN (but even if I did, wasn't that quite an accomplishment in itsef?).

EDIT: of course, then I remove myself from answering anything on this thread dealing with the proclaimed 'simpletons,' who are, IMO, *still* smarting from the disbanding of their Fellowship.

<img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

SC

[ March 18, 2002: Message edited by: Scientiae ]

Oolon Colluphid · 03-18-2002, 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by Scientiae:
For the record,

I am hoping that a full, all-out flame war develops right here on Evo/Cre so that I can be found innocent of the accusations that I alone brought down ARN (but even if I did, wasn't that quite an accomplishment in itsef?).

SC

For the record, it looks like I may have to start deleting posts. I don't mind flame wars, as long as they are related to evolution/creation. Since this is nothing of the sort, consider yourselves warned.

[ March 18, 2002: Message edited by: Oolon Colluphid ]

Douglas J. Bender · 03-18-2002, 06:48 AM

Oolon,

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1. DNA is the material of inheritance. The patterns in it are passed down generations, with occasional mistakes.

Thank you for the explanation. I was aware of all that, however.

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2. If similarities are the result of a common designer, what do you make of different designs that achieve the same sort of thing? A different designer each, presumably.

I don't recall reading any "Designer Manual For Rules of Design" which said that a Designer could not use different designs to achieve the same sort of thing. I also don't recall reading any such "manual" which said that a Designer could not use similar designs across species. The point being that the "evidence" in the genes is completely explainable (based on what I have read so far) by a "Designer".

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You want to propel yourself through water? A flat blade at the tail works well. Which god designed the horizontal flukes of cetaceans, and which the vertical ones of fish?

The same God Who loves variety, and Who has more than a merely "technical engineering" imagination.

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You want to be sensitive to light? Which god made the mammalian eye, which the squid eye and which the insect eye?

Certainly not the god, "Ramanas". I would say it was the same God Who thunk up all the various creatures in the first place. Since when is a "creator" of anything required to stick within certain design "limits"?

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3. I have mentioned some examples of your god’s wonderful designs to you before, in this thread. Your replies were -- how can I put this charitably? -- somewhat comical...

... and so on. Nuff said?

Yes, I think that should be sufficient to show that Christianity quite reasonably explains away the "argument from imperfect design". And my replies, though perhaps comical to you, were quite reasonable, and quite adequately answered your points.

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Others can provide the technical. In layman's terms, from the sequences in the chromosomes, the ones that apparently fused have been identified. Chromosomes have easily identifiable end bits, to do with how they work during cell division. Lo and behold, the supposedly fused human ones have these end bits in the middle of the single, longer chromosome.

Well, I guess I would need to know more about the "end bits", and what they are and what they can be used for. A slightly more technical treatment than your (appreciated) explanation would probably be helpful.

In Christ,

Douglas

leonarde · 03-18-2002, 06:50 AM

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You have all been warned. Keep to E/C or go away.

[ March 18, 2002: Message edited by: Oolon Colluphid ]

pangloss · 03-18-2002, 06:54 AM

<ditto>

[ March 18, 2002: Message edited by: Oolon Colluphid ]

03-18-2002, 06:38 AM	#76
Principia Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: anywhere Posts: 1,976	For the record, I am hoping that a full, all-out flame war develops right here on Evo/Cre so that I can be found innocent of the accusations that I alone brought down ARN (but even if I did, wasn't that quite an accomplishment in itsef?). EDIT: of course, then I remove myself from answering anything on this thread dealing with the proclaimed 'simpletons,' who are, IMO, still smarting from the disbanding of their Fellowship. <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" /> SC [ March 18, 2002: Message edited by: Scientiae ]</p>

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leonarde Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North America Posts: 1,603	<post deleted> You have all been warned. Keep to E/C or go away. [ March 18, 2002: Message edited by: Oolon Colluphid ]</p>

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pangloss Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,302	<ditto> [ March 18, 2002: Message edited by: Oolon Colluphid ]</p>

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