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glyndwr · 07-10-2003, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by Carrie
Do any of you think there is such a thing, that if you do good or bad, then good or bad will come back to you?

Yes, I believe in Karma.

It's a pretty decent album by the power metal band "Kamelot", although "Epica" is much better.

Volker.Doormann · 07-10-2003, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by Amaranth
.. again, how does that Universal Principle of Justice work, and why does it disqualify QM?

Again. I have told you, that you have not shown, that QM or science can solve injustice. If QM can not solve the problems relating to injustice in principle, QM disqualifies itself to this part of nature. You cannot solve math with a screwdriver, and you cannot solve math with love. QM is simple an inadequate tool for the nature of justice. If you have no insight in the Universal Principle of Justice, I can't help you. It is necessary that one is able to perceive Justice. It cannot be shown, as truth cannot be shown; it must be recognized by each individual himself.

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Volker

Volker.Doormann · 07-10-2003, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by Radcliffe Emerson
I don't believe in anything spiritual.

Then you do not believe in you. Except you are only the atoms, which building your physical body and which you got from the food in supermarket and which have existed for long before you was born. Where do you know, that you are these ancient atoms and nothing else?

Volker

Amaranth · 07-10-2003, 02:14 PM

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Again. I have told you, that you have not shown, that QM or science can solve injustice.

Irrelivent. Once again, QM has been introduced only because you base assertions for the existance of karma off of science which QM has debunked.

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You cannot solve math with a screwdriver, and you cannot solve math with love. QM is simple an inadequate tool for the nature of justice.

Bad news: Remember, you are the one attempting to show karma existing through quotes about debunked veiws of causality. If the water breaks the support on a bridge, it simply doesn't matter if water can hold up the bridge - The bridge is coming down.

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If you have no insight in the Universal Principle of Justice, I can't help you. It is necessary that one is able to perceive Justice. It cannot be shown, as truth cannot be shown; it must be recognized by each individual himself.

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If you have no insight in the Universal Principle of Ultimate Evil, I can't help you. It is necessary that one is able to perceive Ultimate Evil. It cannot be shown, as truth cannot be shown; it must be recognized by each individual himself.

So what you meant to say is that it only exists in your mind. I grok yeah now.

Volker.Doormann · 07-10-2003, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by Amaranth Irrelivent.

Yes. EOD

hinduwoman · 07-11-2003, 07:17 PM

Karma literally means 'action'. It can also refer to the fruits of action. But the Britishers (whose understanding of exotic cultures were never too developed

) thought it meant 'fate'.
It doesnot. Effort or action is the ploughed field, fate is the rain; or the field is fate and action is the seed. Fate is inferior to action.

But the problem of chance vs a ethically determined universe was never really solved. That was why there was recourse to next life and previous life. Even then not everyone agreed.
The Higher castes insisted that the you are born into lower castes as a result of karma of your previous life. However, the lower castes while accepting karma as a general principle usually denied that birth had anything to do with karma.

kctan · 07-12-2003, 10:28 AM

Karma in the buddhistic sense is "cause & effect" or "action & reaction".

Eg, if you practice all that is "evil" et al, you will get reborn as a cockcroach or something in that order for long term karmic effects.

As to short term karmic effects, eg is you knock down a child while driving under influence & at the minute the child dies, your own little child also got knock down by someone driving under influence.

As to how both children are compensated in the karmic system, you might find yourself reborn as their parent & have to take care of them or you might find yourself as their child & get abused by them.

There's a saying that goes "all causes have their effects, if you can't see the effect now, it's not because there is no effect, it's because the time have not come for the effect to happen." This is not a bad summary for what karma is.

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07-11-2003, 07:17 PM	#36
hinduwoman Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: India Posts: 6,977	Karma literally means 'action'. It can also refer to the fruits of action. But the Britishers (whose understanding of exotic cultures were never too developed ) thought it meant 'fate'. It doesnot. Effort or action is the ploughed field, fate is the rain; or the field is fate and action is the seed. Fate is inferior to action. But the problem of chance vs a ethically determined universe was never really solved. That was why there was recourse to next life and previous life. Even then not everyone agreed. The Higher castes insisted that the you are born into lower castes as a result of karma of your previous life. However, the lower castes while accepting karma as a general principle usually denied that birth had anything to do with karma.

07-12-2003, 10:28 AM	#37
kctan Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Heaven, just assasinated god Posts: 578	Karma in the buddhistic sense is "cause & effect" or "action & reaction". Eg, if you practice all that is "evil" et al, you will get reborn as a cockcroach or something in that order for long term karmic effects. As to short term karmic effects, eg is you knock down a child while driving under influence & at the minute the child dies, your own little child also got knock down by someone driving under influence. As to how both children are compensated in the karmic system, you might find yourself reborn as their parent & have to take care of them or you might find yourself as their child & get abused by them. There's a saying that goes "all causes have their effects, if you can't see the effect now, it's not because there is no effect, it's because the time have not come for the effect to happen." This is not a bad summary for what karma is.

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