Radorth

Oh my. Of course I was using historical facts and examples to counter what can only be described as blatant misrpresentatiions, hypocritical definitions and gratuitous assumptions about Christiians. We are all waiting for your counter examples, but apparrently ally you can think of is personal insults.

Sorry, an atheist here won the the prize for wholesale bigotry when he said Christians were incapable of loving anybody. I'm surprised the ever watchful PC police let that one go.

Rad

Rhea

What historical fact are you claiming again?

Radorth

Blah blah blah.

I was before your hypocritical remarks, misrepresentations and soap box attacks entered into the conversation. You just admitted you have no definition of a Christian, finally. At least I hope you did, because that would be essential to having a meaningful conversation.

I'm saying Christians have set the highest examples, in direct response to many derogatory assertions. If you have any counter-examples, or evidence that the late war was not prosecuted by a majority of Christian theists, for example, please provide it. Was Franks an atheist, for example, or is there something else I'm missing?

Rad

Radorth

You didn't read the list?

What I'm saying is this. Christians can be taught wrong, make many social mistakes, etc, but Christians will still set the highest moral examples. I'm sorry this simple concept is lost on you, and you can find nothing but personal attacks and assertions like "my friends would recoil in horror" to refute it with.

Put up or shut up, as they say.

BTW, the head counselor in my church tells me that the divorce rate is less than 10%. I suppose that is because the pastors won't marry people who ignore the baggage they still have, and because one cannot be a designer Christian who shuns accountability and go there for long.

Rad

Bree

Tut - look, now; you've rebuked seebs and implied that he may (or may not) be a True Christian™ - and you've managed to bring up an interested point along the way. You say that people who divorces are not True Christians™ because True Christians™ follow Christ. I hope you realise that the Christ of the Bible did not marry at all. So, then, are Christians called to celibacy?

To me, a Christian is someone who (A) believes in the One True God and the Holy Trinity and (B) follows the Word of God to the letter. I have yet to meet someone who did not compromise their faith in some way. I have respect for the "whacked-out fundie nut-jobs" who try to follow the Bible 100% simply because they're not compromising their faith. It takes balls to not only refuse to eat lobster, but to also sell your daughters into slavery and believe that credit cards and social security numbers are the Mark of the Beast.

Bree

I think I speak on behalf of most of the moderators here at IIDB when I say that we'd much rather you click on "report this post to a moderator" than half-heartedly attempt to derail a thread with complaints.

In the future, please either use that route or PM a moderator with your concerns.

Radorth

I will, and we'll see what happens. I assume it's OK to tell what happens, since you have left the distinct impression I am the only one failing to follow the rules here.

Rad

Rhea

You mean this list?
[list=1][*]Was their lieutenant a Christian? Wanna bet?[*]Do they have lots of prayer meetings in the Pentagon and Bush administration? [*]. Whence comes this unique and historic behavior amongst soldiers? The atheist tooth fairy? [*]It was a breathtaking act of of meekness and submission found nowhere in the history of war,[*]and certainly not amongst any atheist soldiers I ever heard of. [/list=1]

I don't see how you have shown this at all.
I think this WHOLE THREAD is about how that does not appear to be true.
So, dragging us back to this thread, why do _you_ suppose Christians do not hold marriage in as high regard as Atheists do?


There was actually quite a lot of meaning in that statement. I'll spell it out. My friends would recoil in horror at the thought of saying that anyone who gets a divorce can't be called a christian. Not sure how you got my statement to 7thAngel and somehow said I was using it to refute something you said. The quote was pretty clear. No wonder you feel persecuted if even when I'm talking to someone else it's really all about you.

My friends whom I consider good christians would recoil in horror at the idea of stating someone is NOT a christian who is, in fact claiming to be a christian. They would find that very unchristlike. Since they can't possibly know what is in that person's heart.

7thangel claimed "all who divorce are not christians."

Which makes one wonder, I suppose, if you are agreeing to that and taking up the banner and assuming I'm talking to you, it makes one wonder if you're aware of the divorce rate in the military, from whence all good and brave christian deeds come.

Is he as good with numbers as you are?
Well I guess we're both supposing.

Radorth

That was the second one. In the first, I gave a list of the many examples set by Christians, which BTW, one of your poster boys, Jefferson, failed to follow. (Much to his historical deteriment). Funny such an enlightened soul insisted all in the military attend services to improve their morals. You have to give him credit there I suppose.

Anyway, we're all waiting to see what a lack of faith in Christ has ever done for the world. We been assured by skeptics for 175 years it would result in peace on earth, when there is evidence it has had quite the opposite effect.

Rad

Rhea

I'm having trouble finding your list (and keeping it on topic with respect to why the divorce rate of Christians is higher than that of atheists.) Maybe you could repost it with a sentence on how it relates.



But I'll repost this question.