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Old 08-12-2003, 05:38 PM   #1
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Default Stupid Dress code and councilers who dont care

I resently started going to a new highschool. I'm a junior, i've only been there for a couple days. My old highschool was a very good school-started at 9am, not very strict, cool teachers and principle, great guidence counsiler, only 432 students...I left because there was an unbeleivable amount of stupid gossip going around and the people there were losers, plus the new school adopted blocked scedualing which ables me to graduate at least a semestor early..well anyways today i was trying to find a class and this woman smiling widely stops me in the hall and informs me that im not following the dress code because she could see a peice of my stomach...OH NO okay first of all less then an inch of my stomach was showing at the time what is the big deal anyways!!! i apologized to her and pulled my shirt way down which it stayed..but that wasnt good enough for her...she took me to this coachs office i told her"my stomach isnt showing at all anymore, my shirt just needed to be pulled down" then she has me reach my arms up over my head..this made a little bit of skin show on my back so aparently i was still in trouble..i mean what the hell its not like im going to be walking down the hallways with my arms up over my head anyway!! after that they notice that im not wearing any shoes. okay....first of all they say nothing in thier dumb rule book about it being agaist the rules to not wear shoes in school...so i decided that say that i just wouldnt wear shoes to school..this pissed them off. they called my mom and told her i was not wearing a proper shirt or shoes...she yelled at me over the phone and i started crying(i dont know why i wish i hadnt)i sat in the coaches room for about an hour waiting for my mom to bring me a shirt...as a student i feel like i have no rights. this really sucks..everyone expects me to do everything perfectly..take all the hard classes and be perfect and i just dont know if i can do this all year! i get really stressed out all the time and feel like such a failure...i dont want anyone to feel sorry for me but i need to talk about my problems to someone...thats really hard to admitt but i really really do...so i decided to go see the guidence counsilor..i tryed to make an appointment and they said they were to busy and stuff so i just said it was fine and made something up about wanted to switch my classes...later in the day i regreted trying to switch them because i decided i liked them okay..so i went back...the lady at the front for some reason asked me if anything was wrong because i looked kind of upsett i guess....then i had another break down and started crying again..she sent me to a counsiler..this woman is not my real counsiler but she was free at the time...i remember meeting her when i first came to the school and signed up for classes at that time she just wanted to get me in and out...when i was sent in to her office crying she showed no sign that she recognized me...she didnt even give me a chance to talk to her or anything...i dont know even why i bothered trying..she just started smiling and running her mouth like she knew what was wronge with me...by then i didnt want to tell her anything so i just said i was having trouble making new freinds but i was going to go get food ..and then i left. but anyway i just dont know how im going to handle stuff with school. i just want to be able to make good grades, have freinds, be liked..not have dumb problems...i mean i dont want to waste my time being upsett of stupid things i just cant helpt it. ive been lacking sleep the last couple of days and have lost my apitite, theres other stuff to..but i dont think it matters anymore. i have to go do homework. sorry for writing all this, i hate wasting peoples time.
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Emily, if you break your posts up into paragraphs with proper capitalization and punctuation, it makes it much easier to read, and therefore more likely, to be read.

That being said, I don't think asking you to wear to shoes and a shirt that covers your stomach is expecting you to do everything perfectly. That's normal for most places of business or learning.

I think you need to tell your mother you want to see a professional therapist, judging by this and previous posts, you have some issues.
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It's not a waste of time, we all just need to vent sometimes. Like LadyShea said, you'd probably be better off with a counselor outside of your school, since that one doesn't seem to care or even listen to your problems.

That said, I think schools spend way too much time worrying about what students wear rather than dealing with the real "problem" students. At my high school they once tried to put me in Saturday suspension just because my shorts were a tad too short (they weren't even that short; I don't wear anything that revealing). My dad wrote them a letter and they backed off, which they should have. I had never done anything wrong up to that point and kids who had done worse things than I did got away with them.
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Sucks about your situation, Emily.. I wish I could do more to help, but good luck finding someone else who can.
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Greetings, Emily...

First, I want to echo both LadyShea and Heathen. They have provided some excellent advice.

Then, I'm not really clear as to what your problem was or is. Is it the dress code? Or the counselor? Or your social situation? I'm not that familiar with your other posts, so I'm relying upon the comments of LadyShea to get to the understanding that you may have other issues.

It seems to me that you got shunted to "another counselor", who was not your regular assigned counselor. You might want to go back to your regular, assigned counselor and try to deal with whatever problem it is you want to deal with. But... Be warned, these school counselors carry way too heavy a load to be of much ongoing help and they often act as a "gatekeeper" to other care and assistance...they can refer you to other professionals and deal with parental issues that arise out of that, as well. That said, your assigned counselor might not be much more help than the one you did deal with...or tried to.

As for dress codes...yeah, they often suck, representing as they do the prevailing paradigm's fashion sense, rather than the new wave. However, keep in mind that most such codes have the students' interests at heart, whether the students agree or not.
My suggestion is to do what I did when I was a high school student who chafed at the dress codes of my day (1968-1971). I got a copy of the school dress code and became VERY familiar with all its provisions. (Most of them have loopholes.) Then, I started peppering the administration with questions about the rationale behind each provision - privately in conversatons and letters and publicly in letters printed in the school newspaper. This, when combined with an ongoing whisper campaign amongst the students, can raise conciousness as to what is valid and useful in the provisions and what is just an unwarrented repression of free expression. Research the literature on school dress codes at your local public library...enlist the librarian if you need assistance. Engage in a dialogue with those who promulgate and enforce these codes...and keep it civil...you may be surprised at the outcome.

Have fun and learn while challenging authority.

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Old 08-13-2003, 08:20 PM   #6
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Emily, you are not alone:

http://www.newarkadvocate.com/news/s...news/1233.html

Notice how the two students out of dress code look cool and the two in dress code look like dweebs. Not much help, I know, but we all went through this once. At least you don't have to wear uniforms. Is there any high school that allows bare midriffs?

From what I remember about high school guidance counselors, they pretty much only care about getting you into the right classes and the right college. I don't think they give a damn about how you're doing socially, although a few might pretend they care. You would probably be better off looking for an outside psychologist. Even then, it can be hard to find a good one. I have seen three at one point or another. Two made me uncomfortable and the other one ended up in jail for fraud.
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Emily, you are not alone:

http://www.newarkadvocate.com/news/s...news/1233.html

Notice how the two students out of dress code look cool and the two in dress code look like dweebs.
You are guilty of lookism. I thought they all looked fine.

The high school I went to from 1971 to 1974, went from a real restrictive dress code (no bluejeans) to virtually no dress code in 1972. All of the sudden there were halter tops, hotpants, and miniskirts on the girls, and facial hair and long hair on the guys. Did it make any difference in my learning experience there? No, but I'm sure there were some that were distracted to the point where it did affect their ability to absorb the knowledge the teachers were hoping to hammer into their thick skulls.

What I didn't like about high school dress codes were the classism that it allowed, or even promoted. If you could not afford the latest fashions, you were automatically a dork or a nerd. In retrospect, I wish there had been school uniforms.... or manditory nudity. That wouldn't be too distracting, would it?


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I'm sorry but I cannot say this in any gentler way (mods, feel free to delete and admonish me) : The OP strikes me as troll bait.

If, it is sincere I apologize but it then begs the alternative response: You're a junior? I have to disagree with your characterization of your previous school. It was not a good school if, it allowed you to pass this long with the literary skills you displayed in your OP.

They have cheated you of your education. They have allowed you to believe that your desire to be fashionable supercedes your need for the intellectual tools that will allow you to take advantage of the opportunities that await you after graduation.

You have two years left. Either use them to develop the basic skills that a high school graduate should posses or be prepared to live your life dependant on the charity of others. The decision is yours.

Are their success stories of people who lack a formal education? Sure. You don't usually find them whining about being chastised for their clothing selection, though.
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Hey, Majestyk...

I wondered about it being troll bait, too.

However, after intensive training, I spent five years teaching at the high school level and I'll tell you that the OP is not far from the usual material presented as "homework" by many (but not all, by any means) high school students. Yes...That is sad to say, but all too true.

I had to fight those compulsions to correct it and return it for editing, rewriting, and resubmission.

Can we consider it "stream-of-conciousness" writing (with spelling errors)?

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Good God I hate teenagers, and I'm 18!
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