Magus55

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

What ever other Christian said there are tears, obviously doesn't reference it with the Bible.

I don't quite understand your second point. If the Christian God turns out to be real, you will face His Judgement and Wrath. Wanting nothing to do with God, doesn't mean you actually don't have to face Him. You can believe you don't have to be stuck with Him all you want, doesn't make it true. There is no getting away with it, and ignoring God - you will face Him eventually - either with Him in Heaven, or at the Judgement.


Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Rom 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Godless Dave

I think when Jesus talked about the "Kingdom of God" and the "Kingdom of Heaven" he was talking about a spiritual state of mine you can reach in this life, not about an afterlife. The Jewish tradition he came from is not clear on whether there is an afterlife or not, and doesn't give any details about it. I think traditionally Christian theologians saw the self, the ego, as disappearing in the afterlife, so there would be no question of being bored, or even aware. Your soul would return to God, but your awareness and consciousness only exist as part of your earthly body. But that was hard to explain the your average Joe; easier to tell them stories about an anthropomorphic heaven.

Calzaer

My desire of the heart is to find a wonderful, intelligent woman and enter into a monogamous romantic relationship that will last a lifetime, and in the process raise a few children. Is that sinful? *I* don't think so...

But with no marriage, sex, or giving birth in Heaven, my desire of the heart is effectively unobtainable even in the most ideal impossible circumstances, how could I assume it's obtainable under these imperfect ones?

I'm gonna go cry now. May as well be a heathen; what I want most out of existence can't be granted in Heaven anymore than it can be granted on earth. Why did God create me with such unfulfillable desires? What a jerk.

Stephen T-B

Magus55 wrote: “If the Christian God turns out to be real, you will face His Judgement and Wrath.”

There is a little but very important word there, Mugus55.

“If...”

If the Christian God turns out NOT to be real, I will NOT face His Judgement and Wrath.

All depends, you see, on “if.”

Badfish

Rev 21:

[4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


It's going to be paradise.

It will not be boring because all lusts and cravings for carnality will be wiped away, there won't be anything that causes you displeasure, not even boredom.

Badfish

Pascals Wager huh? Why give up something for something that may not be real and visa versa.

If he's real, your going to feel about 2" high, and the good possibility of eternal torment.

Considering how fast life is moving, I don't think it's worth the risk.

Godless Dave

If Thor is real, you're really going to be about 2" high after he hits you with his hammer!

Considering how fast life is moving, I don't think it's worth the risk.

orac

Ok, finally there's a christian who can give a logical and convincing answer to this question:

Why is sex wrong?

No, seriously. Why are christians so hung up on sex? What makes it wrong?

Christians keep going on about how disgusingly evil it is for anyone to ever have sex no matter what the circumstances - after all, sex will be completely non existant in heaven, just like sin. If sex needs to be eliminated before people can be in heaven, obviously even married christians who want to have children should be careful not to enjoy themselves.

Why is this? What is it about sex that makes it so wrong, and why did God select it as the way we reproduce if he hates it so much that he'll ban it from heaven?

Thank you in advance for your logical and rational explanation for why it's wrong - just saying that the Bible says sex is wrong wouldn't be an answer to the question I asked, so I know you wouldn't do that.

Amaranth

I'm calling you our for the 4th time, Magus - Define a True Christian. You're True Scotsman BS is getting exceedingly old.

Amaranth

Amaranth

Which god(s), in specific, should I bet on? The Catholic god? The Mormon god? The Celtic god(s)? The Norse god(s)? The Islamic god? The Hindu god(s)?