John Page

Albert:

I tried going to the historical record as a starting frame of reference. The historical record shows that the founders of the catholic church fabricated a lot of the apostolic records (i.e. lied), as per the analysis in the biblical scholar's book I posted earlier. If you read the new testament from a catholic bible, it will be obvious that text in some of the gospels is almost verbatim from other gospels. I gather that the current theory is that the compilers of the bible hasd conversations like "Mark didn't mention that" "He must have - well we must be missing some data" "Well, what would he have said?" "I guess it would have been pretty much what Luke said" "OK, Luke has it". Let me repeat, a number of biblical scholars who are also professed christians have found fault with the bible as an historical record. We're not talking about atheists here, christian scholars doubting the text of your bible, including the resurrection, as an historical truth.

Given your seeming agreement above that "revelation" doesn't count because there have been false revelations, can we answer jaliet's original question by concluding your belief in the catholic faith is based on falsified records?

By the way, I said misquoting me is a sin for you - I don't care.

Cheers.

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John Page

Hi Amos!

..can you enlighten me as to which part of catholicism you argue for, without being a believer, per se?

For the sake of brevity and staying on topic, I suggest focusing on the attributes of catholic philosophy that are not found in other philosophies.

Cheers.

Dr Theo

Reading these posts a question that comes to mind is, "If God exists, could he be a terrorist?" On this point, you are all invited to enter the debate in my forum , "Jehovah and the War on Terrorism" in the Misc. Religious Discussion sections, or click on the link below, which takes you there.

<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000278" target="_blank">http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000278</a>

Sincerely,
John Norman

Amos

But John, there is a Universal Truth in all mythologies that are true reflections of the nature of God and so my imports are foreign only in religious terms. That there are philosopies of Catholicism that are not found in other philosophies only means that Catholicism towers above the rest wherefore it can overshadow all the others and hence is why She is the envy of the world.

Fair enough, I'll stick with Catholicism but wanted to point out that I am not a religionist.

John Page

Hi Amos:

And the Universal Truth is what, exactly?

Albert Cipriani

Dear John,
And the "Universal Truth" IS.....

May I have the envelope please.....

It's that YOU ARE WRONG!!!

May we have a drum roll please. Fabricated Revelation triumphs once again over scientific enquiry as represented by John, staring as best boy in his first major role as a chump.

I couldn't resist. Sorry. I'll go find my meds now. -- Albert

John Page

I'm told that's what most catholic priests say...

Jobar

"And the Universal Truth is what, exactly?"

42.

(I just watched "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" again.)

And I took my meds- self-prescribed- before I came here today.

Amos

Hello John, "Beauty is the continuity of Truth."

In your language that would mean "love is the continuity of life" or "God is the continuity of existence" and therefore precedes existence. To love life is to love God and to deny God is get a free ride from entropy. In other words, you are dead weight along for the ride that can get very bumpy at times because of it.

John Page

Looks like we're dealing with Prostetnik Vogon Jeltz here, doesn't it. Demolishing earth to make way for a new catholic bypass....