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Old 06-12-2002, 07:45 AM   #21
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<strong>Come on Texas.... take advantage of this.

You may be the state that gave us the Shrub.... but you're also the state that gave us Ann Richards. </strong>

Hey, we also have Molly Ivins and Jim Hightower. We aren't completely right wing. Just mostly.
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David Barton, the state party's vice chairman, documented the increase in violent crime, sexually transmitted diseases and teen pregnancies in the 40 years since the U.S. Supreme Court banned prayer in public school.
Even if true, the conclusion is fallacious: post hoc ergo propter hoc.

What else happened forty years ago? Maybe it was the Vietnam War that started the ball rolling on violent crime, STDs and teen pregnancy. Maybe it was the creation of NASA. Maybe it was when a Catholic first got into the White House. Maybe it was the civil rights movement.

Or maybe it's so damn complicated that it's stupide to point to one thing and think it makes or breaks the morality of a nation.

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Old 06-12-2002, 09:28 AM   #23
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What else happened forty years ago? Maybe it was the Vietnam War that started the ball rolling on violent crime, STDs and teen pregnancy. Maybe it was the creation of NASA. Maybe it was when a Catholic first got into the White House. Maybe it was the civil rights movement.


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On July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate.
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I think it all goes back to this. Maybe this action pissed God off
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Old 06-12-2002, 09:28 AM   #24
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The moderates better wake up, or the Religious Right is going to destroy the Texas Republican Party.

That's a bad thing?
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Ohwilleke,

Do you know where I can find some of these stats?
I have been trying to make a point to someone that the US hasn't been going to hell since the removal of prayer and would really appreciate the help.

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The fact that teen pregnancy rates are at an all time low according to the center for disease control is found<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr50/nvsr50_09.pdf" target="_blank"> here</a>.

Also interesting, is the fact that, as usual, the highest teen prengancy rates are in the Bible belt, while the lowest teen pregnancy rates are in places like the Northeast and Northwest associated with irreligious ways.

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_243000/243791.stm" target="_blank">Here</a>is a BBC report about crime reaching the lowest point since record keeping began in 1973 in the late 1990s.

A Center for Diease Control report, <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/Stats_Trends/1999Surveillance/99PDF/Surv99Master.pdf" target="_blank">here </a>states that: Ghonorhea declined 72% from 1975 to 1997, that Chlamydia rates are down 62% in the period 1988 to 1999, and that the Syphilis prevalance rate in 1999 was was the lowest it had been since reporting begain in 1941.

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Here is what I don't understand about these people. They scream like Banshees every time a liberal is elected to office, but they practically invite political defeat with their meathead planks. Are they really so obtuse that they don't realize that theirs is a minority position held in contempt by most people, or don't they give a shit?
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Divorce rates, by the way, have been declining steadily since 1979, nationally, and over a similar time period in Texas.
<a href="http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/bvs/reports/divorce/divorce.htm" target="_blank">http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/bvs/reports/divorce/divorce.htm</a>

<a href="http://calvarychapel.com/library/Reference/Social/DivorceStatistics.htm" target="_blank">http://calvarychapel.com/library/Reference/Social/DivorceStatistics.htm</a>

Incidentally, Canada, like the U.S., saw a dramatic rise in its divorce rate from the levels found in the 1960s, followed by a significant fall in divorce rates in the 1990s, despite the fact that Canada continued its policy of educating many students in sectarian schools paid for with public funds.

Canada also has far fewere conservative Christians than the United States does.

<a href="http://www.vifamily.ca/cft/divorce/divorce.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vifamily.ca/cft/divorce/divorce.htm</a>

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<strong>Divorce rates, by the way, have been declining steadily since 1979, nationally, and over a similar time period in Texas. </strong>

And of course the highest divorce rate is among evangelical protestants. It's comparatively low among the less to nonreligious...

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<strong>Here is what I don't understand about these people. They scream like Banshees every time a liberal is elected to office, but they practically invite political defeat with their meathead planks. Are they really so obtuse that they don't realize that theirs is a minority position held in contempt by most people, or don't they give a shit?</strong>
All of the above.
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