Optional

Really? I was under the impression the brits pulled out cause they were sick and tired of being shot at by both sides... Was unaware the US played any role in that decision. What happened?

-me

Amen-Moses

The British 10 year plan was basically scuppered by the US, if they had backed the plan then the division of Palestine would have been a gradual process which ensured that western aid for the region was shared out equally and that the two sides were kept apart by a UN peace keeping force.

The idea was that the British forces would pull out gradually being replaced by UN forces with the target date of 1958 as the point at which the twin states would be autonomous. Political pressure from Washington along with threats of trade sanctions forced the British govt to abandon the 10 year plan and pull out prematurely leaving a power vacuum. In the 1950's and 60's the IRA backers in the US used the Israel model as the basis of their own plans in Ireland.

Most of the Arab states were in favour of the plan and most of the UN agreed with it in principle although I have no doubt it would have been amended somewhat in detail if it had gone ahead.

Lebanon of the 1930s was a playground of millionaires with a booming economy, after the British pulled out of the region it quickly became the mess it is today.

Amen-Moses

Dr Rick

Using your definitions, couldn't you make the same argument for the legality OR illegality of the founding of Canada, the US, Germany, or most other nations in the same manner?

Pass the popcorn, Tim; lite on the butter, please...

Gurdur

Here you go, mate.

Gurdur

uh huh uh huh uh huh.
You mean that if only the altrusitic Brits would have been left alone they would have managed as good a job as they did on the India/Pakistan divide/decolonialization ?


Oh well, ignore me; I'm staying out of this one.

Optional

Well, yes, sort of.

The difference is that there was an international organization (the LoN and then the UN) that was supposed to be overseeing the process of creating a nation or nations in Palestine. They did oversee the creation of a number of Arab nations in the area, giving specific commands and permission to create those nations. The same process was supposed to be occurring in Palestine. Israel stepped outside of that process in order to declare itself a nation.

Since the UN was clearly interested in overseeing the process, and Israel came into being without the prior permission of the UN, that is how it could be said to be illegal. However, as you point out, most of the other nations of the world have been founded without permission from anybody...

-me

Optional

Well, as Gurdur points out above, the Brits don't have a wonderful track record when it comes to these things but still... The fact that they were prevented from even trying by my government just makes me that much more disgusted with my country's role in this whole mess *grumble*

-me

Jat

Originally posted by Dr Rick

Using your definitions, couldn't you make the same argument for the legality OR illegality of the founding of Canada, the US, Germany, or most other nations in the same manner?

Pass the popcorn, Tim; lite on the butter, please...

Not really. These other nations were a part of open conquest and in some cases rebellion. There was no deception. This was from a more primative time when there was really no such thing as an agreed upon set of human rights. If this were to occur today they wouldn't be able to get away with it. It is as wrong then as it is now, but those directly responsible are long dead and so are their victims.

Loren Pechtel

Originally posted by Jat
It should be disbanded. It is based all on a lie.

This fails the reality 101 test. It's not going to happen.

They thought that same thing when Apartheid was disbanded in South Africa. There was none.

There weren't major terrorist groups dedicated to the destruction of the whites.

Furthermore, we don't know what's going to happen in South Africa. From looking at the rest of Africa there's probably more trouble to come. The whites remain convenient targets to be hit when a distraction is needed.

The jews that didn't manage to get out would be dead.

You are speculating

They have said they want to drive the Jews into the sea. That sounds like flee or die to me.

Jat

Originally posted by Loren Pechtel

This fails the reality 101 test. It's not going to happen.

That is because most Israelis are deluded when it comes to this.

There weren't major terrorist groups dedicated to the destruction of the whites.

This is mainly because the whites treated the blacks better than the Israelis are treating the Palestinians in comparison.

Furthermore, we don't know what's going to happen in South Africa. From looking at the rest of Africa there's probably more trouble to come. The whites remain convenient targets to be hit when a distraction is needed.

And the Palestinians are still convenient targets for the Israelis.

They have said they want to drive the Jews into the sea. That sounds like flee or die to me.

Much of this the Israelis had brought on themself.

BTW, did you happen to work in the Iraqi Information Office beforehand?