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John Page · 05-31-2003, 07:01 AM

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Originally posted by Luiseach
With an example of pithy eloquence such as this post of yours, I find that hard to believe.

Thank you, I do respond to flattery as so marvellously expressed in your immortal prose.

Luiseach · 05-31-2003, 07:17 AM

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Originally posted by John Page
...your immortal prose.

Gee whiz....shucks....

SecularFuture · 05-31-2003, 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by John Page
Lu & Secfu:
"Scheme" can have very different connotations, in English its more like plan, approach or concept whereas in the US in my experience people associate it with a dodge, artifice or fradulent intent.
Cheers, John

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Originally posted by Luiseach
Hi John:
I meant 'scheme' as a plan, approach or concept.

Understood.

SecularFuture · 05-31-2003, 08:36 AM

Luiseach

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� Which would be how, exactly?�

I�m not good at explaining ethics.

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� Are there price lists? Group discount packages? :-D�

I�m sure there would be. Maybe. I don�t know.

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� But seriously...as for the non-profit Immortalist/Transhumanist groups, if they see their ideas about and research into eternal life as an end in itself - as you suggest here - then how do they justify putting a price tag on immortality?�

They need to pay for their equipment and the research somehow, don�t they? Money doesn�t grow on trees.

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� Does the book (?) you are reading tell us how they are going to deal with the practicalities of Immortalism? You wouldn't have any handy-dandy quotations for us to ponder, perhaps?�

I�m sorry, I do not.

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�Why do you think it's a good idea that eternity should be a right rather than a privilege?�

So that it could available for everyone. But still � They�re going to need some money, from somewhere, during the first few years+ so that they can pay for their equipment, employers, and the research.

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What is the rationale underlying Immortalism/Transhumanism?�

Damn� I�m too tired for these questions right now.
http://www.imminst.org
http://www.imminst.org/forum/

The two sites above will give you an answer to every question that you have about Immortalism.

I�m sorry. I haven�t slept in awhile, and I�m having a hard time thinking right now. I have deadlines to meet.

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� I too would be interested in knowing how the Immortalism Project - as a scheme/approach/way of life/ philosophy/plan/worldview/idea/conceptualisation/suggestion/modus operandi/program of action/a systematic or organised framework/ideal - would do this.�

SecularFuture · 05-31-2003, 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by victorialis
My, oh my. I do look forward to that day.

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"Nah. There would still be a need for deadlines, and deadlines would keep people in check."

Come on....

Are you telling me that you don't have ANY deadlines to worry about today? We all have deadlines, and we will always have deadlines.

Luiseach · 05-31-2003, 08:43 AM

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Originally posted by SecularFuture
I�m not good at explaining ethics.

That's okay...neither am I :-D

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http://www.imminst.org
http://www.imminst.org/forum/

The two sites above will give you an answer to every question that you have about Immortalism.

Thanks!

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I�m sorry. I haven�t slept in awhile, and I�m having a hard time thinking right now. I have deadlines to meet.

No apologies are necessary...

I hope you feel better soon...

victorialis · 05-31-2003, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by SecularFuture
Come on....

Are you telling me that you don't have ANY deadlines to worry about today? We all have deadlines, and we will always have deadlines. [/B]

I make a living by getting projects in on time and under budget -- more often than not, by meeting deadlines despite the fact that not everyone else on the pipeline met theirs, or ever intended to. I usually meet my deadline standing on the ragged last shred of available time.

We all have deadlines. Not all of us are kept in check by them.
Some of us think we are more important than deadlines (or any other social agreement). Hence my concern with adverse selection.

I don't doubt the human ability to solve problems -- any and all problems. What I doubt is the human willingness to do it equitably, in the absence of compelling incentives.

Have you really thought out the implications of this?

LeetJeebus · 05-31-2003, 10:55 AM

I find one major problem with the "quest for immortality" debate; it is not true immortality. We as humans have always been far better at destroying than we have at preserving, and it is an unfortunate part of the human condition at current that there is always one who is willing to value life less than he/she values power or objects, and there is no way that we canreasonably prevent everyone who fits these parameters from doing so. My personal viewpoint is that we as a species should accept the fact that we define ourselves as temporal beings and are not wired properly to deal with immortality. How many people can honestly say that they have not looked over their life and felt a bit of regret? Now multiply that feeling over a millenium and you have the condition known as ennui. We have our limitations... and that's part of us. I know I would not want to live forever; I can't even stay balanced after 20 years of life.

SecularFuture · 06-03-2003, 02:39 AM

I will be back shortly to reapond to this thread. Mnkbdk from THIS THREAD is taking up a lot of my forum time.

SecularFuture · 06-04-2003, 07:12 AM

victorialis

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"I don't doubt the human ability to solve problems -- any and all problems. What I doubt is the human willingness to do it equitably, in the absence of compelling incentives. Have you really thought out the implications of this?"

Yes I have, but I do not think that things would change all that much if we did become immortal. Our governments [at least the democratic ones] would still be ran in a democratic way, and so on.

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05-31-2003, 10:55 AM	#38
LeetJeebus Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 6	I find one major problem with the "quest for immortality" debate; it is not true immortality. We as humans have always been far better at destroying than we have at preserving, and it is an unfortunate part of the human condition at current that there is always one who is willing to value life less than he/she values power or objects, and there is no way that we canreasonably prevent everyone who fits these parameters from doing so. My personal viewpoint is that we as a species should accept the fact that we define ourselves as temporal beings and are not wired properly to deal with immortality. How many people can honestly say that they have not looked over their life and felt a bit of regret? Now multiply that feeling over a millenium and you have the condition known as ennui. We have our limitations... and that's part of us. I know I would not want to live forever; I can't even stay balanced after 20 years of life.

06-03-2003, 02:39 AM	#39
SecularFuture Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,866	I will be back shortly to reapond to this thread. Mnkbdk from THIS THREAD is taking up a lot of my forum time.

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