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Old 06-14-2003, 09:38 AM   #161
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but don't you think that bringing up extreme cases detracts from the main point of discussion and general thrust of the debate?
Extreme cases merely highlight problems.
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Good point, Pechtel.

Extreme cases also highlight the law of unintended consequences.
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Bumper sticker: HOW COME I'M MATURE ENOUGH TO HAVE A CHILD BUT NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO GET AN ABORTION?
The question ought to be, "How can I be old enough to have sex if I'm not old enough to have a child?"
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yguy, your knowledge of female physiology is sorely lacking, to put it politely.

Guess you don't think about children suffering from rape and incest by their own daddies, uncles, brothers, whatever.

And I include boys in the rape victims category.
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Good point, Pechtel.

Extreme cases also highlight the law of unintended consequences.
Unintended consequences are the result of flawed laws (or whatever change was made). As humans aren't perfect some of this is to be expected.
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as for the morning after pill, i guess i'd have the same problems with it as with abortin in general as i have chosen to assign individual rights to the embryo once it has become genetically distinct from the parents.
Quibble: the morning-after pill is not an abortifacient. It's essentially a high dose of progesterone and/or esrogen, and postpones ovulation. It is often confused with RU-486, the "abortion pill", but is in fact an entirely different thing.

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Quibble: the morning-after pill is not an abortifacient. It's essentially a high dose of progesterone and/or esrogen, and postpones ovulation. It is often confused with RU-486, the "abortion pill", but is in fact an entirely different thing.

back to my corner now.
The morning after pill also prevents implantation. Messing with ovulation won't do any good if she has already ovulated.
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i think the extremes tend to mask and evade the norm.

'now' was wise enough not to pursue the extreme attitude that scott peterson should not be charged with double murder because it might give credence to pro lifers because it would hurt the mainstream position of their platform.

tell me, does the morning after pill involve interference with the survival of a fertilized egg?
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....does the morning after pill involve interference with the survival of a fertilized egg?
Yes, they work primarily by preventing the ovum from implanting into the uterine lining. So do an IUD, and to some extent, birth control pills.
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Yes, they work primarily by preventing the ovum from implanting into the uterine lining. So do an IUD, and to some extent, birth control pills.
Is primarily correct there, Rick? I have been under the impression that the "morning after" pill frequently works by delaying ovulation until after the sperm have had time to die. Since most pregnancies are the result of sex before ovulation, that's made sense to me. I know that it can also work by making the uterine lining inhospitable for implantation, but I'm wondering if that is more often the case than delaying ovulation. (Not that it matters to me one way or the other, just curious.)

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