Radorth

You have not a whit of evidence I have ever blamed women for being raped, so this is just another of your RHETORICAL, TENDENTIOUS AND INANE QUESTIONS.

But you apparently see no difference between being raped against your will and choosing to drink until your liver dies. That's the only explanation for your question, as far as I can tell.

Rad

Radorth

Thread highlights:

"If he exists, it's God's fault we have all these problems."

"Unlike Christians, we atheists don't need any help from God and take personal responsibility for our problems."

If you destroy your own liver from drinking, it's not your fault, just as being raped is not your fault, even though Rad seems to think so.

Atheists completely ignore moderator and continue taking personal snipes while Rad is reprimanded for quoting an atheist's personal snipe.

Winstonjen complains Jesus tries to make robots out of people. Ipetrich says God should make virtuous robots out of people.

Christian responses are said to be incoherent.

Rad

Rhea

just yours, radorth. get it straight.

lpetrich

LP:
Radorth, if someone was raping your daughter, would you smugly conclude that your daughter, and only your daughter, was to blame?

Radorth:
You have not a whit of evidence I have ever blamed women for being raped, so this is just another of your RHETORICAL, TENDENTIOUS AND INANE QUESTIONS.

Radorth, Radorth, Radorth, you seemed to be claiming that there is no such thing as a misfortune that is not one's fault.

So if being raped is not necessarily one's fault, can't that also be said about natural disasters? Hurricanes, tornadoes, hail, blizzards, lightning, droughts, floods, earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, plagues, etc.

But you apparently see no difference between being raped against your will and choosing to drink until your liver dies.

But if the only reason one gets raped is if one creates an opportunity for one's rapist, then the two are precisely equivalent.

lpetrich

Radorth:
"If he exists, it's God's fault we have all these problems."

For an omnipotent being, that would be true by omission as well as by commission. Think multiple causation.

If you destroy your own liver from drinking, it's not your fault, just as being raped is not your fault, even though Rad seems to think so.

But if every misfortune that happens to you is your fault, then there is no difference between one and the other.

Winstonjen complains Jesus tries to make robots out of people.

???

Ipetrich says God should make virtuous robots out of people.

Except that people will still have plenty of non-sin free will.

And who was the one who had allegedly said that Xians have a pinecone up their rear end? That's funny!

Radorth

LOL!

As I suspected, you make no distinction between choosing to drink and being raped against your will. But if you did, you'd have to retract half your posts I suppose.



Allegedly? You find such a comment surprising on II or what? And I didn't say he said "Christians" either, but then you seldom use actual quotes when accusing me of anything personal.

Rad

Radorth

Well duh. I never said anything to the contrary, other than that people dumb enough to build on a known flood plain ought not to blame God for the flood.

I have specifically asked at least twice in the last wo months whether skeptics would still choose to live on the earth if God told them the earth was a dangerous place weatherwise, but it was the best he could make. Speaking of questions we don't like to deal with, that one was avoided by all but one single skeptic.

Why don't you take a whack at it. Maybe we can have a useful discussion.

Rad

Radorth

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This is tendentious nonsense because Jesus gave a clear qualifier which you are simply ignoring. You have to believe you will recieve it instead of doing what we tend to do- praying, not really believing, and trying to make it happen because we in fact don't think God will do it. Jesus also tells us never to lose heart, but to keep on knocking and even praying importunely, for even an "unjust judge" will finally get up and give a person whatever they ask.

Get it now?

Rad

lpetrich

Except that an omnipotent being is responsible for every flood that happens, either by commission or by omission.

Badfish

The answer to the OP, is God gave his creations the gift of free will, and allows (in most cases) people to live that way, even when it results in attrocities.

This seems more attrocious to the non believer because in the non believers eye, there is no justification or eternity for this girl.

The believer thinks and believes the girl is in heaven (To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord).

We all die, we have a predetermined time to live physically on the earth (roughly 70 years), some die sooner and some die later, but one thing is for sure, it all comes too quickly and I would be depressed at the prospect of not having eternal life to look forward too.

Think what you will, but there is a decent probability that God exists (both from a theological standpoint, and from a reasonable standpoint)

You really didn't think all these millions of species and the cosmos originated from a sub-microscopic singularity did you?

I think intelligent design seems more likely (I'm not going to go into thermodynamics or Entropy here), therefore there is a satisfactory amount of evidence to suggest that the little girl is in heaven with the Lord or with an omnipotent designer.