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Kharakov · 12-13-2002, 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by Seraphim:
No in decline part. Most of a society's fall is because introduction of foreign elements into the balanced society which distrub the order.

Indian society declined after 1000 AD because of Muslim and European Invaders, Chinese society decline in 17th century because of its forced opening of its door to foreign influences such as from Britain, US, etc.

Some societies thrive on interaction with and introduction of foreign elements. Other societies are not strong or adaptable enough to handle foreign elements.

Wyz_sub10 · 12-13-2002, 08:42 AM

I'm late into the game but...

A blind mind could devise 100 different tests to measure, define and validate the presence of sunlight:

- design and operation of photochemical cells
- tests involving photosynthesis
- sunspot activity
- neutrino radiation
- solar winds
- eclipses
- planet, comet and asteroid orbits
- changes in skin pigmentation
- colour fading
- heat absorptions

Perhaps any one of these tests could be questions, but if the definition is established, and the tests are well articulated, then the combination of evidence would provide as much assurance as we have for anything.

He need not see it (or hear it, or feel it, or smell it) to validate it.

Shadowy Man · 12-13-2002, 08:48 AM

I bet Kent Cullers believes in sunlight!

Roller · 12-13-2002, 10:48 AM

This is little of topic, but have anyone heard something about experiments in '70 with measuring the weight of people who just died and than saw how they were lighter after they died. So, some freaks are claiming how that difference in weight is soul. Comments?

Autonemesis · 12-13-2002, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by Seraphim:
What other sensors do a skeptic have which he or she uses to show that there is no god? Logic? Your logic most of the time based on specific religion and region, not the whole belief of the human race especially the Eastern societies whom built magnificient society with rich culture from this beliefs.

I don't really care about wishy-washy god. Wishy-washy god is not inspring his followers to lobby Congress to abolish church-state separation. Wishy-washy god is not inspiring his followers to bomb abortion clinics or high-rise office buildings. Wishy-washy god seems to make people feel good about things, and nothing much else. That's fine. I have nothing against feeling good about things. But I can feel good about things without a belief in a god, wishy-washy or not.

God is irrelevant to me, except for how his followers behave as a result of their belief in him/her/it.

crocodile deathroll · 12-13-2002, 11:06 AM

I was expecting a real funny one liner. I was priming myself for a big belly laugh

[ December 15, 2002: Message edited by: crocodile deathroll ]

Naked Ape · 12-14-2002, 09:18 PM

Back to the blind guy/sunlight thing, what if you put him outside in a thong with no sunscreen and no shade all day in Mexico? At the end of the day his four alarm sunburn would consititute evidence. Strangely, prolonged exposure to god doesn't seen to give his special friends a similar ability to produce evidence.

Cheers,

Naked Ape

Sakpo · 12-14-2002, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by Roller:
This is little of topic, but have anyone heard something about experiments in '70 with measuring the weight of people who just died and than saw how they were lighter after they died. So, some freaks are claiming how that difference in weight is soul. Comments?

Roller, please start a new thread if you wish to dicuss this. Everybody else, please do not respond to this post in this thread. You are also free to start a thread on the topic if Roller doesn't and you wish to discuss it.

Oh nevermind, discuss it <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=57&t=000763" target="_blank">here.</a>

[ December 14, 2002: Message edited by: Sakpo ]

Sakpo · 12-14-2002, 10:00 PM

In regards to the OP

Quote:

Originally posted by Roller:
Hello everyone!

I'm interested in the following: is there a difference between a blind man, if you try to explain sunlight to him and skeptic to whom you try to explain that there is a God?

Roller

I think a better question would be "is there a difference between a man from Seattle, if you try to explain sunlight to him and a skeptic to whom you try to explain that there is a God."

But seriously, galiel has already posted the insulting nature of this question.

When it comes to the ultimate metaphysical questions, methinks people are probably a lot like lobsters, we just aren't equipped to percieve what the big questions really are, yet alone reach any worthwhile conclusions.

idiom · 12-16-2002, 01:42 AM

2 Corinthians 4:4 - In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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12-13-2002, 08:42 AM	#32
Wyz_sub10 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the land of two boys and no sleep. Posts: 9,890	I'm late into the game but... A blind mind could devise 100 different tests to measure, define and validate the presence of sunlight: - design and operation of photochemical cells - tests involving photosynthesis - sunspot activity - neutrino radiation - solar winds - eclipses - planet, comet and asteroid orbits - changes in skin pigmentation - colour fading - heat absorptions Perhaps any one of these tests could be questions, but if the definition is established, and the tests are well articulated, then the combination of evidence would provide as much assurance as we have for anything. He need not see it (or hear it, or feel it, or smell it) to validate it.

12-13-2002, 08:48 AM	#33
Shadowy Man Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Shadowy Planet Posts: 7,585	I bet Kent Cullers believes in sunlight!

12-13-2002, 10:48 AM	#34
Roller Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cleveland Posts: 658	This is little of topic, but have anyone heard something about experiments in '70 with measuring the weight of people who just died and than saw how they were lighter after they died. So, some freaks are claiming how that difference in weight is soul. Comments?

12-14-2002, 09:18 PM	#37
Naked Ape Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 1,780	Back to the blind guy/sunlight thing, what if you put him outside in a thong with no sunscreen and no shade all day in Mexico? At the end of the day his four alarm sunburn would consititute evidence. Strangely, prolonged exposure to god doesn't seen to give his special friends a similar ability to produce evidence. Cheers, Naked Ape

12-16-2002, 01:42 AM	#40
idiom Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 49	2 Corinthians 4:4 - In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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