Infinity Lover

I don't know what would constitute as interseting, but it just might be a plan.

ED; I totally agree that you are saying what you are saying.

Let's say your life's conviction is a tool.

Is it what you use to base your outlook on life, and life's choices on...

NO; you waste your time showing it to people.

What kind of stupid way to use the tool is that??

Is the tool telling you to do this? Is that what it's for?

How many hours a day does this consume? What is it getting you?

You could be enjoying life!

Uplifting, helping and inspiring people!

Making friends!

Have them help, uplift and inspire you!

Aw... what am I wasting my time for?
I'm not even going to return to this thread. This is so POINTLESS!!!

Starboy

Ed, how can you expect anyone to give any credibility to your criticisms of their morality when you are unable to clearly state your own. You seem to think that being able to find fault in others morality somehow makes your morals superior. This does appear to be the standard Christian approach. Such behavior may be only borderline immoral but it is definitely disingenuous. Another common Christian trait.

Starboy

NOGO

Ed

Still waiting for an answer...
Is massacring people for something that happened 400 years before moral or immoral?

Ed

The judgement call on the Amelekites.

[b][/quote]nogo: I am talking about a massacre which has been ordered for a stated reason.

Your one liner implies that there are other reasons that only an omniscient God would know.

But you are speculating on the reasons for this masacre. You do not need to speculate because the Bible tells us exactly what the reason is.

So if God can massacre people for something that happened 400 years before explain why we are not allowed to do the same.

Explain why this is moral for God and not for us.

If massacring people for something that they did not do is immoral then it is immoral for everybody including God. It is the act which is immoral not the person doing it.

So Ed answer this,

Is massacring people for something that happened 400 years before moral or immoral?

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That is the primary reason for the destruction of the Amelekites. But there were probably other reasons, ie their society was horrible. They also probably celebrated their defeat of the Israelites the same way we celebrate the 4th of July because they knew about some of the miraculous things that God did for the hebrews during the Exodus and in Egypt. So they had basically been gloating for 400 years how they defeated the representatives of Yahweh, whom even they probably considered a very powerful god. It is basically the same thing as a judge in a capital crime case, if someone murdered your wife, you would want to execute him on the spot but only a judge has that authority. Part of God's role in the universe is the ultimate Judge, so only he can order executions and total destructions of nations. We are not qualified and do not have the authority to do so, so that is why it would be immoral for us to do such a thing but not immoral for God.

NOGO

Very well you at last admit it. The rest is just speculation and here is why.

Ex17:8-16
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13 So Joshua overwhelmed Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword.
14 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write this in a book as a memorial and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven."
15 Moses built an altar and named it (25) The LORD is My Banner;
16 and he said, "The LORD has sworn; the LORD will have war against Amalek from generation to generation."

You see Yahweh swore to avenge the attack. This has nothing to do with other reasons which you speculated about. Now look at Deut 25 below.

Deut 25
17 "Remember what Amalek did to you along the way when you came out from Egypt,
18 how he met you along the way and attacked among you all the stragglers at your rear when you were faint and weary; and he did not fear God.
19 "Therefore it shall come about when the LORD your God has given you rest from all your surrounding enemies, in the land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance to possess, you shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven; you must not forget.

A clear statement to destroy these people right after the attack took place. The only reason they waited is that they did not have the means back then. Funny that Yahweh cannot do his own butchering. This is clearly revenge.

So Ed, is revenge moral?
Is revenge on innocent people 400 years after, moral?

Starboy

Ed, I have exposed you. As the emperor had no cloths this Christian has no morals. Anyone possessing morals would not engage other people in such an aggressive and specious manner.

Starboy

Ed

Raping a young girl is not "walking the walk".
He did not follow "Do unto others as you have them do unto you."

[b] God NEVER told his followers to rape. Only the special case of the ancient hebrew theocracy were allowed to "pillage". Christians are not allowed to do so.

Starboy

Ed you are so full of it. Do you even read what you post?

Starboy

Jobar

Starboy, and all- my congratulations on one of the best and most entertaining examples of Ed-baiting I've seen around here. Watching him chase his tail and salivate like this is somewhat cruel, but highly amusing nevertheless!

I want to go back to the thread title, and talk about worldviews. There is no 'atheist worldview'. The fact is, there are as many worldviews as there are thinking humans. Atheism, or theism, or communism, or absolutism, can be *elements* of a worldview. It's a cart-and-horse problem; saying 'atheist worldview' is like saying I am the person of my right foot!

Whenever I am asked what my 'worldview' is, I usually just ask "with regard to what?" Otherwise, I would have to give a complete description of my views on everything in the world! Try asking yourself- what is the American worldview? Or the Ukrainian worldview? See how silly that sounds? A point of view is something we can share- we can even share enough of them to say that our worldviews are similar. But if you refine the subject being discussed far enough, you will find differences between twin brothers! Ergo, when someone starts in talking about the 'atheistic worldview' just ask them- "Which particular atheist?"

Starboy

Jobar, do you posses a Ukrainian world view?