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Peter Edward Faulkner · 11-08-2002, 09:25 AM

You guys are working with insufficient data.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again , he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born ? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again . 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Wyz_sub10 · 11-08-2002, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by Peter Edward Faulkner:
You guys are working with insufficient data.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again , he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born ? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again . 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

What does this have to do with anything?

Quote:

"Not by speech, not by mind, not by sight,
can this be apprehended.
How can this be comprehended
except by the one who says, 'It is.'
It can be comprehended only as existent
and by the real nature in both ways.
When it is comprehended as existent,
its real nature becomes clear.

- Katha Upanishad

Anybody can quote anything. Doesn't make it more true.

[ November 08, 2002: Message edited by: Wyz_sub10 ]

Godless Dave · 11-08-2002, 09:55 AM

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the world is neither fair nor unfair
the idea is just a way for us to understand
but the world is neither fair nor unfair
so one survives
the others die
and you always want a reason why

but the world is neither just nor unjust
it's just us trying to feel that there's some sense in it
no, the world is neither just nor unjust
and though going young
so much undone
is a tragedy for everyone

it doesn't speak a plan or any secret thing
no unseen sign or untold truth in anything...
but living on in others, in memories and dreams
is not enough
you want everything
another world where the sun always shines
and the birds always sing
always sing...

-Robert Smith (from "Where The Birds Always Sing" on <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004GOVO/qid=1036781675/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_9/104-7604361-3222323?v=glance&s=music" target="_blank">Bloodflowers</a>)

Kosh · 11-08-2002, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by Peter Edward Faulkner:
You guys are working with insufficient data.

A hypocritical statement from someone who admits that he doesn't even know the history of his own Holy Book....

Peter Edward Faulkner · 11-09-2002, 09:51 AM

Kosh,

Knowing the history of the "Holy Book" as you put it, pails in significance compared to having the spirit of God in oneself.

I'm assuming you have the spirit of the antichrist working in yourself, so it's understandable given your general
persceptions in your posts.

Getting back to the "Holy Book", I doubt whether the bible qualifies as holy apart from someone decided to call their translation of scripture way back when as the Holy Bible.

Why do you call it a "Holy Book"?

Sephiroth · 11-09-2002, 10:57 AM

Peter, it's called sarcasm.

*Looks at posts made by a certain poster*

Preaching? Check!
Raves? Check!

*Shakes head*

[ November 09, 2002: Message edited by: Sephiroth ]

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Sephiroth Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 625	Peter, it's called sarcasm. Looks at posts made by a certain poster Preaching? Check! Raves? Check! Shakes head [ November 09, 2002: Message edited by: Sephiroth ]</p>

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11-08-2002, 09:25 AM	#61
Peter Edward Faulkner Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 39	You guys are working with insufficient data. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again , he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born ? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again . 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

11-09-2002, 09:51 AM	#65
Peter Edward Faulkner Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 39	Kosh, Knowing the history of the "Holy Book" as you put it, pails in significance compared to having the spirit of God in oneself. I'm assuming you have the spirit of the antichrist working in yourself, so it's understandable given your general persceptions in your posts. Getting back to the "Holy Book", I doubt whether the bible qualifies as holy apart from someone decided to call their translation of scripture way back when as the Holy Bible. Why do you call it a "Holy Book"?

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