hezekiah jones

Interesting demand, coming from a self-described "Jesus Freak."

Coragyps

And one who doesn't appear to have read the replies he's been given so far, at that.

xBobTheAlienx

I have read the replies and there is nothing in them supporting evolution. And what does me being a Jesus freak have to do with asking you to prove evolution? If your so confident in your "fact" then show me dome reasons for your confidence.

hezekiah jones

I thought maybe you'd gotten tired of being asked to "prove" your invisible pals and have decided to turn the tables.

Futuyma's textbook recommended by Rufus above contains just about everything you need to know. Happy reading.

xBobTheAlienx

Actually i havent been asked to prove the existence of God yet. And I cant get a hold of that college book considering im only in high school, dont have the money to get it, and even if i did, i wouldnt know where to get it. So I ask again: prove evolution.

Coragyps

xBob: My probably unnecessarily smartass remark was in reference to your saying "Prove it!" after several posts talking about "proof" and science. Why don't we start with <a href="http://iidb.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000627&p=" target="_blank">this whole thread</a>: you read it, I'll reread it, and we can discuss. I'll try not to be a smartass if you'll try not to ask for "proof."
There are some highly qualified folks re evolutionary biology on this forum - I'm not one. But I know a little, and it sure does point in the direction that Mr Darwin hinted at.

Nat

"None of you have answered my queston yet: What is one piece of evidence proving/supproting evolution."

One piece? Ok - the fossil record.

Want another? How about the observed evolution of new species (e.g. several species of African Cichlids).

How about another? Take a look at the evolution of Homeobox gene.

Another? Check out the observed evolution of nylon (a non-naturally occuring fiber) eating bacteria.

I could go on.

xBobTheAlienx

You would have to give me somewhere to check your evidence I am not going to take your word for it. What do mean when you say fossil records? The types of evolution you mention (like nylon eating bacteria) are micro-evolution. And how long were they "observing" those African bugs you spoke of?

Nat

Cichlids are freshwater fish actually - not bugs. They speciate an average of once every 33 years. There are, of course, other examples of observed speciation. Go here to see more:

<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html" target="_blank">Observed Instances of Speciation</a>

For further evidence of evolution go here:

<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html" target="_blank">29 Evidences for Macroevolution</a>

In general, you should probably actually read something about the subject before coming to a site and asking so arrogantly for others to do the work for you and "prove it" for you. There are literally mountains of textbooks on the topic - I guarantee many are available in your school library. Go read them - learn a little about the topic. Then come back with specific questions.

Skeptical

Asking for one piece of evidence that "proves" an entire discipline as broad as evolutionary theory is like asking someone to teach you calculus in 5 minutes.

As far as support, start here:

<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html</a>

And here in particular:

<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html</a>

I also recommend looking at the rebuttal of the attempted creationist rebuttal of the talkorigins faq:

<a href="http://www.mindspring.com/~duckster/evolution/" target="_blank">http://www.mindspring.com/~duckster/evolution/</a>

If this doesn't help, I'll gladly buy you a copy of Futuyma's book _if_ you promise to read it carefully with an open mind and not to let anyone burn it.

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