Yellum Notnef

Who`s Fulton?

Infinity Lover

Count your 'blessings'. I might've misspelled it Fuckton Smelly. I'm a lousy typist.

Yellum Notnef

Well for one thing she`s gazing at the ceiling (I guess this is where Jesus lives or maybe she`s looking at her invisible angel who is making silly faces trying to get Gemma to laugh and ruin the photo).

You seem to believe lots of things without any proof at all so I`m not all that surprised.


Fine with me. I have NO interest in changing your mind,but it`s tough peanuts for you if some us make jokes about this Catholic baloney.
This is what you have to "deal with" since this is not a Christian or other superstition based board.


What I find socially obnoxious (a term that was first used to describe me) is that there are people living in the year 2003 who are hell bent on protecting and making excuses for the hideous institution of the RCC. An institution built on greed,lust for power,and the gullibility and fears of the people it continues to abuse and lie to.
And yes,you are a victim.

Yellum Notnef

If you mispelled it like that it would probably be due to you being 8 years old and in a snit rather than a simple typing error.

Now I must say good day to you sir and get on with the tedious chore of counting my blessings.

Amie

She's looking up for a picture. Big deal. That hardly makes her look crazy...grasping for straws Fenton.

"lots" of things?

Well Fenton not everyone thinks the RCC is the sinister entity that you think it is...

and I understand that you think I am a victim. You believe I am a victim. You believe that without any proof though. Me being a victim has become your God. Therefore you are a theist Fenton

No in all seriousness Fenton I understand someone having a dislike for the Catholic church but there are many good people within the chrch and there are many good people who came from the church. From what I have read, St. Gemma was a good person. She was very devout and lived her life for God. If it helped her to be a better person then good for her. No harm no foul.

Yellum Notnef

She`s not just looking up for a picture. She`s looking up at jesus just like so many other girls in so many other Catholic pictures. Her hands are also clasped in prayer.
Whatever. Crazy is in the eye of the beholder and the eyes of this beholder (compounded with the story of her life and the fact she was sainted) say she`s crazy.

Yes you belive lots of things without any proof at all. Please don`t make me type out a list of the basic beliefs that come with being a Catholic. There are just too many unproven and unrational things to list and I have stuff to do this afternoon.


You`re right. They have fleeced A LOT of people.

The proof is that you believe what they are telling you. I didn`t expect you to realize this.
And about you being my god....Umm that doesn`t make any sense at all.

There are many good people that have been involved with the church and this should come as no surprise to anybody since the majority of humans are good natured. The problem arises when members and the church itself claim that it`s the INSTITUTION and salvation through Jesus who is responsible for people being nice and kind and not human nature.
Unfortunately it`s been common practice for the church to insist that it is the sole reason why there are good people in the world and without it (the church) your life is pure shit and you`re doomed.

But I guess thats business for the church and they decide who`s a good person or not...ie Catholics who fund them.

It also seems to me that the reason so many good people continue to be involved in the church is due to a forgotten tradition of conditioning through fear.
The RCC layed down the law for hundreds of years and basically said "you`re either with us or against us". "Good" smart people who valued their life joined up with the church while the others who refused were deamed "bad" and killed.
After so many years of this it`s easy to see where the notion of "believing in Jesus and being Christian is what "good" people do".
The idea has become such a permanent part of our society to the point that we`re not even given a choice to join or not. I don`t know about the rest of you,but I signed up when I was just a few weeks old!

I think this has a lot to do with why there are still so many liberal and borderline Christians who refuse to let go. Somewhere in the back of their minds they fear that society will see them as "bad" if they walk away.
(nevermind the threats of eternal damnation)

The RCC has you all right where it wants you. Be sure to give all you can when that baskey comes around!

Amie

you are right it is in the eye of the beholder. I think she looks beautiful in her picture, far from crazy...

Everyone believes in different things Fenton. Don't paint us all with the same brush.

No I believe what I feel is right for me. I realize my "right" is your "wrong" such is life.

I never said that. and aside from that, what I did say I was kidding.

Well not all people within the church believe that Fenton, I guess you don't see it that way.

Gemma Therese posted this link and it was somehow turned into a joke that I simply did not find funny. If Gemma holds St. Gemma in high esteem I think thats great because from what I have read St. Gemma sounded like a lovely, devout person and I see absolutely nothing wrong with that at all since everyone is entitled to their own beliefs...
My beliefs are no superior than yours but they are certainly not inferior either. They are just different.

you sound like you have a chip on your shoulder Fenton...

Infinity Lover

Fenton,

for someone who feels so strongly about rationality and reason, it's sure funny how you find it rational and reasonable to be so inconsiderate towards other's feelings.

If you're going to say people are good regardless of their beliefs and worthy of your contempt because they believe, you're applying double standards t.m.h.o. and really should make your mind up.

And taking your balled up anger out on one person, be it some young woman who died a long long time ago and who never did anything to you, or by sneakily and indirectly teasing a poster on this board, is... well, sad really.

Yellum Notnef

I can`t quote everybody here right now since the batteries in my cordless mouse are dying so let me squeeze this response to Amie in here before I get to you telling me how sad I am.

No Amie,I don`t have a chip on my shoulder and I`m not painting all religious people or Catholics with the same brush. I`m not making fun of you either. My beef is with the institution and not with you.
Normally I don`t give a thought to the RCC,but I`m irked when a story of a poor,mentally unstable girl is paraded out as proof of how wonderful the church is.

And Infinitylover......

1.)I have no contempt for anyone here.
2.)I said what I said about this so called "saint" in a thread started by BShack,Not Gemma Theresa.
3.)It was a joke.
4.)I don`t have any balled up anger and I`m not taking anything out on anyone,dead or living.
5.)I`m not teasing anyone here.
6.)Why does this have to turn into something so personal? Now I have GT sending me a message asking if I personally hate her or if my hatred of the RCC is all consuming. WTF?
I didn`t say anything to Gemma,but god forbid anyone says anything negative about the church around here because it`s going to be taken as a personal attack or hurt someones feelings. Say one thing about the church around here lately and everyones palms start bleeding!
When did this board turn into the audience of the Mother Angelica show?


Batteries dying. You guys will have to tell me all about how I`m persecuting your people later.

Gemma Therese

Moderator(s):

I sent Fenton a private message so it would not be viewed by everyone on the board, and he exploited it by posting it anyway.

Gemma Therese