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Amie · 01-30-2003, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Infinity Lover
Lieve schat,

If you need a little break in between answering posts, I've got your mocca frapochino with complimentary a backrub right here.

Hey Thanks Infinity! I need both...

brighid · 01-30-2003, 01:21 PM

I want to make it clear when I say this ... I am not being facestious when I ask the following question:

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I cant just go throw myself off an overpass in hopes that God will save me though.

Why wouldn't you?

Brighid

Amie · 01-30-2003, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by brighid
Why wouldn't you?

because I am not a fool

Jacey · 01-30-2003, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by Amie
because I am not a fool

But you said you trust god. He'll save you.

Maybe you don't trust god as much as you think.

Azathoth · 01-30-2003, 01:33 PM

So,just to clairify:You believe that a supernatural being either helps or kills people,despite the fact that there is no evidence of such.

Assuming there is a supernatural being,or beings,how do you know it's your god that's doing it?

I suppose everyone's entitled to their own beliefs,but belief in a supernatural being that saves people,or kills them,without any evidence at all to support such a belief,is definitely something I find a bit odd.

I suspect the answer I'm going to get is faith.But it seems to me to be a faith built on nothing.

Novowels · 01-30-2003, 01:39 PM

To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today.

Shadowy Man · 01-30-2003, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by Infinity Lover

I'm with Amie, to that extend that people here are drawn to the spectacular story, and subsequently jump on the bandwagon of making a mountain out of a mollhill, their fanatisism further fuelled by having Amie in the thread to disagree with, since she has the audacity to suggest we might be making way too big a fuss over this. It's busting chops time people!!

Yes, I'm inclined to agree a little bit with you in that it isn't a huge thing that should be jumped upon. However, neither is a small flirtatious "sweetheart" between a boss and his female employee. Taken by itself it's just a harmless little saying, but think of what it does for office sexual harassment issues as a whole.

Anything big is made up of lots of small things.

Amie · 01-30-2003, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Jacey
But you said you trust god. He'll save you.

Maybe you don't trust god as much as you think.

Hi Jacey
I do trust in God but I still have to do my part

Infinity Lover · 01-30-2003, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by Jacey
But you said you trust god. He'll save you.

Maybe you don't trust god as much as you think.

If your girlfriend trusts you'll defend her, and then goes and deliberately starts a fight when she's in a bar with you...

...she wouldn't off course, because its stupid, people might get hurt, and you don't put your loved ones to the test like that. Has nothing to do with lack of trust, and you know it.

(if I were the bible preaching theist kind, I could also quote the bit where the devil challanges Jesus to throw himself off a cliff, and Jesus responds "thou shall not tempt thy God", which boils down to the same from a x-ian perspective I guess.)

Shadowy Man · 01-30-2003, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by Amie
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I understand that would be your explanation and yes your opinion is as good as mine. Mine is no better, no worse, just different.
I don't think that would be a "better" explanation, not at all. Just a different perspective.

On what issues do you believe one person's explanation is "better" than anothers? Apparently on the issue of the interactions between a supernatural god and people's lives you think everyone's explanations are equally valid. How about on issues of electrical engineering?

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01-30-2003, 01:33 PM	#65
Azathoth Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The centre of infinity Posts: 1,181	So,just to clairify:You believe that a supernatural being either helps or kills people,despite the fact that there is no evidence of such. Assuming there is a supernatural being,or beings,how do you know it's your god that's doing it? I suppose everyone's entitled to their own beliefs,but belief in a supernatural being that saves people,or kills them,without any evidence at all to support such a belief,is definitely something I find a bit odd. I suspect the answer I'm going to get is faith.But it seems to me to be a faith built on nothing.

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