Kenneth

The question reminds me of another troubling question: Did the Rape of Nanking really happen?

In the case of the Holocaust, only a few people question its existance, the German government has clearly admitted that it did happen by offering compensation to the millions of Jew who died.

In the case of Nanking, the Japanese government, up to today refuses to acknowledge the scale of the rape. They admit that it did happen but refuses to pay any compensation to the victims they dehumanized. They reason that any compensation was already settled by the agreement reached during the end of the war.

Their refusal is, to me, the manifestation of the barbarity of the Samurai code. The thought of apologizing is something unheard of in the ancient Japanese culture: either you commit hara-kiri or you spend your whole life denying such thing ever existed.

York

oddly enough i agreed the talmud is as crap as any other supremicist holy book. i do however think judaism deseves 1st place in arsehole religions.

im waiting to see a zundel reply to the nizkor site but hes going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat to win that argument. its alot of crazy killings and torture if it isnt a holocaust.

Vorkosigan posted what looks like a good link to refute the jew conspiracy thing but i only skimmed through it. im more interested in the 3rd reich history for now.

to me isreal today is a more sedate version of the 3rd reich. the zionists have the same supremicist mentailty and want to enjoy segregation just like the nazis. the only differance between israel and the 3rd reich is time. israel can kill its undesirables at leisure due to no outside threats. the reich could not do the same. they were in a do or die situation.

i dont have links but im sure you people already know this. jews were not let into canada until around 1965. it was the same scenario in most other countries as they did not open the door for the jews. correct me if im wrong but didnt most other countries already know hitler hated the jews before the killing started. hitlers initial order was to remove the jews not kill them.

i dont think segregation is such a bad thing. when people fight you seperate them. its my opinion that there is a place for everything and everything should be put in its place. if the nazis are screwballs that keep to themselves and dont go talking there shit anywhere except in their reserved area thats great.

in my alternate reality(post) i could care less about the reichs past so long as there present day attitudes were kept to themselves.

(self question) does any of this excuse killing? no.

i admire hitlers attempt to perfect the domain he was in. i deplore the methods he and or the SS used to achieve those goals.

i dont really mind that the jews/zionists have a homeland. they have indeed been persecuted over time by what were jutified reasons to there (many?) various antagonists. isreal for the jews, sure congratulations on your concentration country that you can run as you like. dont come back either please, most people dont like you.

im heading out to chapters to look for that william Shirer book. it should be very intersting.

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Howard

Rarely does one find such a well-reasoned, masterfully written and scholarly analysis of such a complex subject.

(Question: Is this a guy a clown, a troll or just an idiot?)

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RED DAVE

Good to see this thread open again. Just a few points to start out with.

In the past few weeks, we have had two people on this board who I believe were nazis: fpy and york. I'm open to argument about that but not from them.

The issue I want to get into is how, on this board, and, more importantly, in the world, do we fight this scum.

Several ideas come to mind:

1. Once a nazi is identifiend (a whole subject in itself), don't engage them in rational discussions of issues.

2. Do not get into teach sessions about history.

3. Don't discuss personal problems with htem that might have "led" them to be nazis.

I'll expand on these later.

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Enai

Why not? After all, nazis do possess brains and are capable of rational thought. They just need to discover their reasoning skills and maybe they'll reconsider their stance. Even if they don't, fence sitters might watch the debate and come to the conclusion that the nazi's ideas are wrong. No fence sitter will be convinced if we only let the nazis say what they will, or, even worse if we censor them. They will then have a claim to martyrdom, which in the mind of fence sitters will lend credibility to the nazi.

Besides, solidly trashing a nazi's ideas with actual historical facts is oddly enjoyable, and an exercise in research.

Why not? After all, the aforementioned fence sitter might learn something, and in the event we're really lucky even the nazi. In any case, I can learn something more about history, and that has never hurt me.

I agree.

Please do so.
Enai

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From Enai:

Very good point. Same thing about teaching. My experience is that naziism is an "impacted" belief system not subject to change by rational argument. However, others may benefit. Nazis most benefit from an argument with a baseball bat.

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Enai

Now, now Red Dave, I wouldn't go so far as to advocate violence against political enemies. Not even against nazis. I believe this lowers you to the point where the nazi already is (if he does believe in eliminating "inferior" "races"), and you don't want to have that in common with him, do you?

Enai

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Fro Enai:

No, I do advocate violence against nazis. I don't advocate that they be bannef or their free speech taken away by ther government. I advocate beating the shit out of them.

About 25 years ago (British posters may remember this), there was an outbreak of racial violence and naziism in England. The organization was called the National Front: it had people in it who were out-and-out nazis, old-time hitler lovers, etc.

This corresponded with the rise of "punk" in England, and some punkers decided it was "cool" to be a nazi, wear nazi regalia, tattoos, etc. They began to initiate racial violence against foreigners, native-born people of African descent, Jews, gays, etc. Lovely guys.

The government arrested a few: they became martyrs. Two groups were formed to combat them: the Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism. The League engaged in demonstrations, etc. They also went to known nazi hangouts: pubs, etc., and beat the shit out of nazis. They ganged up on them and taught them that being a nazi was not cool and could cost you your teeth!

Within a year, the nazis were beaten back and the threat receded. Thousands of young people flocked to Rock Against Racism concerts. The nazis were licked.

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