free12thinker

Alas, will you rule beside me Brighid. Together we can conquer the world of invalids and rid this earth of all that is sinful. Like chefs who cook with butter instead of margarine and teachers who choose to preach the word of evolution. Hallelujah!

brighid

Free12thinker,

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Well, some say I am already a Goddess ... Well, at least my husband ... but he's biased and trying to get in pants - does that count?

However, in true Goddess style I may accept you as one of my many consorts with whom to rule over mankind with and bring about a world of peace, beauty, truth through rational thought and pleasures of all kinds - along with my many and beautiful fellow Goddesses! The pagan pantheon is so much more fun and encompassing then the damned uptight, homophobic, abusive, Egomaniacal, sexually repressed, guilt ridden, control freakin God of "love" that the JC religions worship!

Ah .... if only it were true. I would be one bodacious, powerful deity!



Goddess Brighid

free12thinker

Atheists don't have the logic and reason market cornered, but we own some of the stock.


And your whole second paragraph says one thing; Muslims are more reasonable because they rely on a God belief. So that makes them more reasonable, and in that, makes us unreasonable.

I do find it amusing that some rely on blind faith, and you find is amusing that I find it amusing. Do you let blind faith guide you through anything else? Does the general public use blind faith for anything else? The answer is: NO.

But we are unreasonable because we carry reason and logic in all elements of life, to include religion, whereas you're reasonable because you make religion the exception in logic and reason?

Otay. Care to explain why?

Religion is a crutch, and you've just lost the use of both legs.

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Koyaanisqatsi

...you realized that you weren't capable of doing such a thing?

...so that you, once again, wouldn't have to ever address anybody's arguments as written?

Why are you so afraid of higher cognitive processes? I wonder...

That's ok. We all know your limitations. They're getting kind of cute.

...something that you are now going to completely misconstrue in order to stuff your straw man...

Only to you.

Please, whatever you do, don't back this up in any way!

Ahhhh, misapplication of intended meaning. So easy. So simple. No argument has to be formulated, just obstinate repetition.

Let's see, you take the contextual meaning of the word "faith" from this sentence, "I have faith that a mythological creature factually exists," and you misapply it to the contextual meaning of the word "faith" from this sentence, "I have faith that my theory will be demonstrated correct," and voila!

You think you've made a salient observation.

The irony being, of course, that for the cult member to think they are making some sort of salient point in misapplying the contextual meaning of the word "faith" in this manner, only denigrates the cult member.

Well don't you just have the cutest little inquisitive mind? Always asking rhetorical questions as if they were somehow devastating observations instead of actually making any kind of argument that can be directly addressed, thereby requiring your counter-argumentation to be laid bare? I'm wondering if you've stopped beating your wife?

How's that working out for you? That wondering thing? 'Cause I was just wondering?

Convince you? Why would anyone want to? You have declared in no uncertain terms through just about every one of your posts that you will not engage in the most basic forms of argumentation nor accept the most basic rules of evidentiary procedure. In this post you childishly dismiss "logic and science" as if they don't completely define your existence all because you just don't want them to define your existence.

They aren't "evil," you know. Hell, "they" aren't even a "they," but you irrationally treat "them" as such. I was just wondering why you do that? Are you going to ever step up to the plate and explain to us all why you're so terrified of higher cognitive functions as tools to help explain our existence?

Are you going to ever step up to the plate and convince us why belief in mystical fairy god kings that magically blink everything into existence in order to punish us for our "sins" is either legitimate, reasonable or any kind of explanation at all for our existence?

...beyond your ability to comprehend?

Let's try one more time. Logic and science are tools; methods; cognitive processes. Theism is a belief system; specifically the belief that a mythological creature is factually existing and the cause of the universe.

Leprechauns.

Atheism is the absence of a belief in leprechauns; aka, mythological creatures from the imagination.

K through 12, apparently.

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Koyaanisqatsi

Not nearly as amusing as you might suppose. In fact, it's downright depressing some times.

Like now.

And what was the result?

Powerful stuff that logic and reason.

How logical and reasonable of them.

Have they now? So, "islam" is some sort of reasoning device? Interesting.

You'd think people that believe in the infinite justice of an all loving creator...oh, never mind.

We're talking theist "logic and reason"

You can't belittle or disrespect an "adversary" when you have none.

I thought the amusing part was how so many atheists think they somehow have the logic and reason market cornered? I guess when your head is full of so much theist "logic and reason" everything's amusing...

You know, theist based threats are so effective.

Well, if ever there were a better argument for the base stupidity of theist brainwashing, that would beat it hands down.

MY FICTIONAL CREATION SHALL SMITE THEE IF YOU DON'T DO AS I TELL YOU TO DO! (cue thunder effect)

Sell it walking, toots.

free12thinker

You claim there are gaps that would require a continued "faith" in science. That's an irony, since faith is blind trust and there is nothing blind about science. It sees fine out of both eyes, or it wouldn't be science. Faith in god requires no evidence, no action and reaction, no eyewitness accounts of anything. Science does.

So when you states that there are gaps which require a continued faith in science, make sure you explain how the two words fit together.

But..as Koy has put it, quite amusingly but right on target, you are incapable of fair and level-headed debates...you simply pick sentences here and there, tell everyone that they are wrong, without really justifying why. You are the highlight of my day. Or would that be low point of my day?

WJ

Koy!

Do you really want me to go back and take the wind out of your sails?

Your post(s) are really more rhetoric than anything. Ok, let's debate you and me, right now.

You claim you know all the answers to your existence viz. science and logic. I say you don't!

Put up or shut up!.

You ready!? Sart a new thread or however you want to to prove your 'default position' as an atheist, or whatever. In other words, frame it as such. I say you're full of hot stinky air that will not pass the smell test of common sense.

I challenge you! I will proceed to philosophically deconstruct you so that you'll go home crying to mom! In fact, I think you are ignorant to what science and logic really means viz. your own existence let alone a supernatural one, and this challenge will prove that in fact you are! How about that! Ready big mouth?

Ready?

Walrus
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for the death of Koy's belief in atheism

WJ

Free!

That challenge goes for you too. Prove your default position is absolute using science and logic!

Walrus

brighid

Science and Logic don’t claim absolute, unalterable truth as does religion. It claims to do it’s best with the information given ever attempting to refine and discover more parts of the puzzle. As things stand science and logic can find no applicable evidence or reason to believe in YOUR version of God, or any other God thus far described by religion. So, again it is not the atheist that has to prove something atheism, science and logic do not claim to have market cornered on. Only religion, specifically the JC religions claim absolute and divine authority. Your beef should be with them, not those who doubt it!

B

snatchbalance

reasonabledoubt,

This might be interesting:<a href="http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/feyerabe.htm" target="_blank">web page</a>

SB

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