MrDarwin

Oh come on guys. I'm no fan of Radorth but the name-calling, insults, put-downs, and innuendo are getting a bit out of hand.

MrDarwin

I've already asked Radorth this one. His answer was that we can recognize Christians by the things they do. Unfortunately, this is so exceedingly vague as to be quite unhelpful. When I tried to narrow it down a bit by asking how we could possibly judge that he is a Christian, based on anything other than his say-so, he said we couldn't. Which then raises the question, what is the point of this entire discussion? I find none.

Radorth

Well of course you must have an objective standard and know someone personally and well to make a judgement. I don't say it's easy to tell, but in Hitler's case, he is so far off the example of Jesus, that less than 2% of Christians would ever believe he was a Christian today. He did fool more people in Germany in 1940 perhaps, but nobody else, and virtually nobody in 1945 thought he was a Christian except him. Fiach is just using an escoteric definition here.

So Mc Darwin, do you really agree one should just throw up their hands and say "I dunno. They said so."? What kind of skeptic would do that?

This is all too convenient for those who want to go find the worst examples in history and claim such were Christians. This practice is evidence of a kind of "situation logic" unbecoming of your cause.

Rad

Radorth

Well OK if you want to pick nits. You said you couldn't agree you and I were much alike because you would be lying. Is that better?

Now Fenton, just between you and me, I'm probably not all that superior to you.

Rad

Yellum Notnef

Yes. And it`s all too convenient for those who want to find the worst examples in history and claim that they`re NOT Christians even though they said they were. Which is exactly what you`re doing while accusing others of doing the opposite.


"Christian" is just a title good and bad people automatically fall under if they accept Jesus as their God. You just don`t want to admit that for many people the title of "Christian" and belief in Jesus does nothing to make them better people/citizens.

Radorth

Why no. I said that many months ago at the end of the "Problems With Radorth" thread. I also clearly stated that was one of my motives was to get us to look at one another as human beings. This is what Sabine Grant and Amie tried to do as well, but they were told they had a language barrier or some such nonsense. It is you who refuse to admit it, judging by the personal vitriol you put out.

Would you like me to go find it for you since you have no time to search my posts to back up your assertions?

Rad

Radorth

Oh, that's precisely what I'm saying.

Rad

Yellum Notnef

No. I don`t need you to find it for me and you are the one who needs to start backing up his assertions. Yesterday you tried to threaten me with 6 alleged examples of me misquoting you,but you still haven't produced them.

Do you honestly think I`m just going to forget about this? Think again.

And why would I not admit that we're all humans? This doesn't even make sense. All we are is human and all we have is each other although SOME of us labor under the dellusion that theres an unseen beautiful kindom run by invisible gods. And SOME of us won't rest until they've jammed this dellusion down the throats of everyone else in an abusive and very condescending manner.
THIS is why SOME humans get and deserve vitriol.

You are really off your game this week.

Yellum Notnef

l§t???]Originally posted by Radorth [/i]
Oh, that's precisely what I'm saying.

Rad [/QUOTE]

So what? The title "Christian" doesn`t make them better people,but they are still Christian none the less if they profess faith in Jesus.
This is why a murderer can accept Jesus right before the electric chair and still go to Heaven and also why your favorite thief on the cross will also be in Heaven. Just accepting Jesus is enough for Jesus,but not enough for you?
You have higher standards than Jesus?



Go right ahead and follow people around with your clipboard checking off your list of traits you believe make people Christians. I bet you`ll waste a lot of paper and pencils by mistakenly following around atheists and people of other religions.

Radorth

Let's see. You don't have a job and you don't have time to track down any evidence, but I who work full time should do it immediately. Is that correct? I will present mine when I have collected all the facts and thread sources- probably next week. I just thought my "threat" as you call it might help you see how vain this all is.

Of course I will expect you to produce like evidence of your assertions by then. In fact if you don't have it, I'll just keep mine aside until you do probably.

We can stop anytime. We're just wasting server time, as usual. Unlike you I have absolutley no illusions about where this is going, or about "winning" these holier-than-thou arguments.

"Little man" Rad has no illusions about taking down the mighty II either. Some of the moderators do a good job. The question is whether there are enough of them. Good people tend to get overwhelmed by the more noisy and dogmatic "free speech" advocates who extend the right to unfettered off thread slander.

Rad