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Old 03-20-2003, 04:29 PM   #31
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its ironic, that is all i am saying.

No, this is ironic--

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oh no. Don't start "interpreting" ingersoll. His words say precisely what they say. They are not obscured...they are not analogous. They are crystal clear...precise...and of easy interpretation.
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I fear that you will never comprehend, that atheism isn't about a belief system, but rather the lack of belief in YOUR system. The lack of belief in any religious system without merit
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Hey xian, question:

What website(s) are you ripping off your material from? I'm not even good at doing this, and I can tell that your writing style does not match the style of the opening post.
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lets see, if I'm not mistaken, it is www.infidels.org that pays homage to Ingersoll at each of his birthdays. Kind of strange that someone would say "happy birthday" to the deteriorated corpse of a nonexistant entity. IF that doesn't fit the definition of "sacred" i don't know what does. Maybe not in a religous sense, but certainly it has some sacredity to it.
Xian, why do you think that honoring the memory of Ingersoll is holding him or anything he wrote as sacred?
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I didn't think atheism was something to "get" as if it is a quantiable set of mandates.
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its just kind of ironic that Ingersoll became an atheist for reasons that today's atheists would reject as a form "xianism". Ingersoll's conviction for being an atheist is a great theistic quote that any pastor could use in a sermon.

its ironic, that is all i am saying.
xian, get real. Has Christianity so destroyed your integrity and honesty that you cannot admit what you were really trying to do? What good is your religion if you have to stoop to such deceptions, and manipulations? You are not fooling anyone.

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The more I read xian's posts, the more I am convinced that he's not really a Christian, but an atheist pretending to be a Christian in a deliberate attempt to make Christians look bad.

I simply can't believe that someone with such a dearth of intellectual capability and integrity would be capable of typing quasi-coherent sentences as he does on a regular basis.

And no, that's not an ad hominem. It's just a plain, old-fashioned insult.


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Old 03-20-2003, 08:07 PM   #36
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What's this about Steak and Blowjob day coming from the II. And citations to show this?

an xian...
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that pays homage to Ingersoll at each of his birthdays. [...]IF that doesn't fit the definition of "sacred" i don't know what does. Maybe not in a religous sense, but certainly it has some sacredity to it.
Please, I beg of you. Tell me you are joking. That you don't take this seriously.

I celebrate Arbor Day and I don't think trees are sacred. I pay homage to veterans every November 11th and I don't think they're sacred, either.

*shakes head. Backs away slowly*
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Hey xian, question:

What website(s) are you ripping off your material from? I'm not even good at doing this, and I can tell that your writing style does not match the style of the opening post.

nice try. that article was entire my own. written soley from scratch by me 2 years ago (ok i admit it is a bit old he he). go do all the "googling" you want.

i used to own a domain called www.unbelief.com where that article once existed 2 years ago. i let the domain expire-- too much work keeping it up.

So GOOGLE away. i plagarise no one.
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Xian, why do you think that honoring the memory of Ingersoll is holding him or anything he wrote as sacred?

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lol. if pay homage to a dead corpse and a non-existant entity on a yearly basis, that is the the non-religious definition of sacred. ("set apart", "due respect or reverence") as the dictionary defines it as.

every year when you say "happy birthday robert ingersoll" i contend you are practicing almost a religious rite. you can vehmently deny it, but wishing a dead guy happy birthday has supernatural overtones to it, no different than a baseball player wearing his "lucky patch". Additionally, wishing the dead corpse a happy birthday is 'setting him apart for respect and/or reverence", which is the definition of sacred.

YOU PERSONALLY might not pay respect to R.I. on a yearly basis, but infidels.org does, and that has superstitious written all over it. you wont admit that, of course, but any objective person looking at it would rationally conclude the supernatural overtones in such a yearly ritual.
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...wishing a dead guy happy birthday has supernatural overtones to it, no different than a baseball player wearing his "lucky patch.
No one here is wishing a dead guy anything; it is customary to say "Happy Birthday Robert Ingersoll," but we are saying it to eachother as a reminder of the man. It is not an attempt to communicate with the dead, and we know very well that he can't hear us. This is not analagous to a superstitious practice nor is it based upon a belief in the supernatural.

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well, it has that appearance. i know that no one actually believes they are communicating with the dead, and i believe everything you just said, but from a purely objective standpoint looking at it simply for what it appears, it looks indistinguishable from a myriad of other superstitious rites.
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