njhartsh

Unless we're talking about the Fem-Bots from the Austin Powers movies, I think you mean "silicon," not "silicone."

- Nathan

SimplyAtheistic

[QUOTE]Originally posted by emotional
So illogical one simply doesn't know where to begin...



Maybe you didn't need parents to exist either.



Bifurcation fallacy: either "God" or "matter" always existed. I believe in neither. In the beginning there was energy, which configured itself into mind, which created matter out of existing energy.


Calling my statement illogical might make you feel better, but the fact is my statement is more logical than believing in some super deity that rules our world. By stating that I needed my parents to exist, you have shown your lack of knowledge and narrow view of life. You only see life arising from life, so you expect that is the only way life could arise. Therefore you assume there is a creator for our world. It has been proven in studies that life could arise from non-living matter, very very simple life, but life none-the-less. By the way, matter is energy, try reading a physics book sometime.
Jake

Rhea

Thanks for the correction. I know better! Not sure how that slipped out. Maybe I need to file an invention disclosure, hee hee.

(funny you should think of breasts and my first thought was bathtub caulk.)

mike_decock

At least we can agree on that.

I mean there is no need to assume a creative mind. The only reason you feel the need to is because your theology demands it.

It's a safe assumption. We can scientifically observe the operations of our mind (matter/energy). We may not fully understand how it operates, but ignorance isn't proof of the supernatural.

I think you're wrong.

Unsupported irrational assertion.

Unsupported irrational assertion.

Only in living things.

-Mike...

Rhea

Plants have minds?
Raindrops have minds?
Lightning has a mind?



What is matter?
What is animation?

emotional

Argumentum ad Ridiculum. Ignored.

emotional

I don't believe in a "super deity that rules our world". I'm a naturalist, like most people here, believing in the constantness and immutability of natural law. But unlike most people here, I'm not a materialist. I believe mind preceded matter.

emotional

Let's invert this: "I mean there is a need to assume a creative mind. The only reason you feel there is no need is because your materialistic belief demands it."



Even if all cognitive functions were to be mapped to specific areas in the brain, it still wouldn't be proof that mind is synonymous with the brain. And quit talking about the supernatural! I don't believe in the supernatural!



I'm sure I'm right



Eff you.



Eff you.

In all things.

*sigh* Materialists. The mirror image of Christian fundamentalists. Dogma, dogma, dogma.

mike_decock

Unsupported irrational assertion.

The natural world is the only thing we can have any knowledge of. Anything else is speculation, fantasy and mythology. If you wanna believe in the supernatural, be my guest. Whatever creams your twinky, bud.

LOL. Obstinate ignorance on parade here, folks!



Your belief in a supernatural God demands that you assume supernatural explanations for natural phenomena which require no supernatural assumptions.

Your certainty has no effect on how wrong you are.

Undeserved irrational insult.

Undeserved irrational insult.

Unsupported irrational assertion.

*sigh* Theists. The supernaturalist irrational asserters.

-Mike...

emotional

DeCock, let's make this clear:

A theist believes in an external sovereign over nature. I don't believe in such, so I'm not a theist. I believe, as most people here do, that the laws of nature are immutable and do not follow the whims of people (ie prayer doesn't work).

However, I don't believe matter is all there is. I believe there are other realms existing side-by-side with the current material realm we're in. (and please don't ask me for evidence of this; I've already given evidence, only to have it ridiculed, and I'll NOT be going through that again). I believe in life after death. I believe mind (which is natural, not supernatural) preceded matter. I do not believe said mind is God.

I'm a naturalist but not a materialist. That's all. That doesn't make me a supernaturalist or a theist.