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Happy Wonderer · 03-23-2003, 09:44 PM

Here is my first attempt at an unscientific poll. How do you feel about being American today?

cheetah · 03-23-2003, 09:54 PM

I voted Ashamed to be an American. Not so much cuz I don't like the country. I love the country. I just think most of the people in it, particularly our political leaders are hopeless.

JGL53 · 03-23-2003, 10:08 PM

I feel LUCKY to be born a citizen of the U.S. I'm perfectly happy to live here. I didn't vote for Bush. In fact, I've never voted for a Republican for any public office and doubt I ever will.

I am a white male heterosexual. Should I be ashamed to be one if, e.g., most rapists or serial killers are white male heterosexuals?

Happy Wonderer · 03-23-2003, 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by JGL53
I feel LUCKY to be born a citizen of the U.S. I'm perfectly happy to live here. I didn't vote for Bush. In fact, I've never voted for a Republican for any public office and doubt I ever will.

I am a white male heterosexual. Should I be ashamed to be one if, e.g., most rapists or serial killers are white male heterosexuals?

Well, I'm not saying that anyone should be ashamed, I really am curious about how this forum breaks out.

However the difference is that although you are a white male, you are not (presumably) by your actions supporting rapists. Our actions are supporting the war (taxes are due April 15th -- friendly reminder) so you can't be entirely disassociated from it.

If it doesn't matter to you what is being done in your name, you could choose the "ho hum" option.

HW

Grad Student Humanist · 03-23-2003, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by Happy Wonderer
Our actions are supporting the war (taxes are due April 15th -- friendly reminder) so you can't be entirely disassociated from it.

Yeah, but the collection is being done at gunpoint. I don't recall being offered the option of not paying for the war, or for anything else. It's pay or go to jail.

Besides, some of my taxes also go to social programs which I do support.

Krieger · 03-23-2003, 11:46 PM

I voted "ashamed to be an American", but that isn't really how I feel. I'm fucking pissed off at what the US ruling establishment is doing - in our name. I just hope the rest of the world directs their ire at our masters in Washington, rather than at the American people (who are endlessly harassed by propaganda).

paul30 · 03-24-2003, 08:12 AM

I voted ashamed.

Actually, scared and outraged might also be true.

Just think: since 9/11 George W. Bush, almost singlehandedly (or with his single brain cell), has changed what was almost worldwide sympathy and support for the US into (highly justified) distrust, dislike, fear, anger, detestation and rejection of the US.

Think of it!

All that goodwill turned to bitterness.

And all because he wants to be Emperor of the World and take over Iraqi oil.

Monkeybot · 03-24-2003, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by Krieger
I just hope the rest of the world directs their ire at our masters in Washington, rather than at the American people

Amen brother!

I can't go so far as to say I'm "ashamed"; I'm angry at how Bush is disgracing us on the world stage and I'm horribly disappointed in the decision to go to war. At the same time, I didn't choose to be an American, I just am one, and I don't see how I can be ashamed over something I have no control over. (In the same vein, I can't say I'm proud to be an American -- I just happened to be born in a particular geographic region on the planet, how can I be proud of that?)

mike_decock · 03-24-2003, 08:31 AM

I voted "ashamed".

I saw a poll this morning that something like 75% of the country supports this war. It's just sickening.

-Mike...

Beetle · 03-24-2003, 08:43 AM

I voted for pretty good. Regardless of who our leaders are, or what problems we might be dealing with, there is no country on this planet that I would rather be a citizen of.

View Poll Results: How do you feel about being American today?
Better than ever, this is our finest hour!	5	3.79%
Pretty good, we are doing well	13	9.85%
Ho hum, gotta go fill up the SUV	3	2.27%
Kinda depressed, but we will muddle through	31	23.48%
Ashamed to be an American	41	31.06%
I'm not an American, thank goodness	39	29.55%
I wish I were an American, you guys are great!	0	0%
Voters: 132. You may not vote on this poll

03-23-2003, 09:44 PM	#1
Happy Wonderer Veteran Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Washington, the least religious state Posts: 5,334	How do you feel about being an American today? Here is my first attempt at an unscientific poll. How do you feel about being American today?

03-23-2003, 10:08 PM	#3
JGL53 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outer Mongolia Posts: 4,091	WTF I feel LUCKY to be born a citizen of the U.S. I'm perfectly happy to live here. I didn't vote for Bush. In fact, I've never voted for a Republican for any public office and doubt I ever will. I am a white male heterosexual. Should I be ashamed to be one if, e.g., most rapists or serial killers are white male heterosexuals?

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03-23-2003, 09:54 PM	#2
cheetah Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,118	I voted Ashamed to be an American. Not so much cuz I don't like the country. I love the country. I just think most of the people in it, particularly our political leaders are hopeless.

03-23-2003, 11:46 PM	#6
Krieger Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: ... Posts: 2,191	I voted "ashamed to be an American", but that isn't really how I feel. I'm fucking pissed off at what the US ruling establishment is doing - in our name. I just hope the rest of the world directs their ire at our masters in Washington, rather than at the American people (who are endlessly harassed by propaganda).

03-24-2003, 08:12 AM	#7
paul30 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA USA Posts: 870	I voted ashamed. Actually, scared and outraged might also be true. Just think: since 9/11 George W. Bush, almost singlehandedly (or with his single brain cell), has changed what was almost worldwide sympathy and support for the US into (highly justified) distrust, dislike, fear, anger, detestation and rejection of the US. Think of it! All that goodwill turned to bitterness. And all because he wants to be Emperor of the World and take over Iraqi oil.

03-24-2003, 08:31 AM	#9
mike_decock Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,505	I voted "ashamed". I saw a poll this morning that something like 75% of the country supports this war. It's just sickening. -Mike...

03-24-2003, 08:43 AM	#10
Beetle Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Massachusetts State Home for the Bewildered Posts: 961	I voted for pretty good. Regardless of who our leaders are, or what problems we might be dealing with, there is no country on this planet that I would rather be a citizen of.

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