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Viti · 05-23-2002, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by bonduca:
LadyShea, that's dreadful.

Yes, it was. I come from a very small town and everyone knew everyone. I had a class with this girl...though I thought she was a freak

Anunnaki · 05-23-2002, 03:38 PM

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ju'iblex · 05-23-2002, 03:40 PM

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It's not necessary. You may know that the Bible teaches that there is only one way to Heaven and that is through the Lord Jesus. My family follows the teachings of the Holy Bible. It could be considered sinful to learn about other religions because they could cause confusion and cause a believer to stumble on the Lord's path. Why would we want to learn about anything other religion when we already belong to the one and only true religion? I said when I first joined this board that I'm not afraid to proclaim the truth about my faith.

you havent posted in a while, so im not exactly expecting a response now. but i found this very interesting.

God supposedly gave us free will, the will to choose him or not to choose as you put it "the Lords path". You have effectively removed any free will your children may have by not letting make their own decisions for themselves, how is this the right decision?

I understand your reasoning for not letting them go to school and not to have friends <bizarre as that may sound>. You disagree with their teachings, and believe they might corrupt your children as they have <or have not, i would probably say> done to others. If the Lords power and your example were good enough, how is this necessary? If you want your children to be the best Christians they can be, it seems only logical for their faith to be able to withstand adversity from the very beginning. By not letting them experience reality, as opposed to your own private perfect kingdom, you are obliviously setting them up for atheism by not letting them try and justify anything on the basis of their religion. thanks for doing that, its a hell of a lot easier than converting them ourselves.

your attempt at good parenting has pretty much failed at this point. its obvious from how many questions you have been able to answer and chosen to answer here, that you yourself have trouble justifying your faith and supporting with reason your actions. if you cant do it, then how could you possibly expect your children to be true christians? you cant hide reality from them for the rest of their life, and when they find it, they arent going to cope.

Perchance · 05-23-2002, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by The Other Michael:


Hi Perchance,

I imagine that if the unruly child is a son, she'll have to follow the Biblical dictate to take him out and stone him to death.

But, oh, the glory in doing the Lord's work!

cheers,
Michael

Hi Michael:

Ugh. The more I learn about the Bible, the more disgusting it gets.

Two questions I suppose:

What's the most common way for 'True Christians' to weasel out of this one (not that I think not stoning your child is a BAD thing, mind you, but how do they claim to believe in the literal truth of the Bible and still not do this)?

And what if it's a daughter?

-Perchance.

Sandy · 05-23-2002, 04:50 PM

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And what if it's a daughter?

No problem! The inerrant word of gawd gives specific instructions in selling your daughters and making a pretty nifty profit on the deal.

Howard · 05-23-2002, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by The Other Michael:


Hi Perchance,

I imagine that if the unruly child is a son, she'll have to follow the Biblical dictate to take him out and stone him to death.

But, oh, the glory in doing the Lord's work!

cheers,
Michael

Oh that's what it says. I thought it meant to take your kid out and GET him stoned. No wonder my son was such an asshole all the time.

The Naked Mage · 05-24-2002, 12:25 AM

So, um...TC...any plans in the near future to start posting replies?

seebs · 05-24-2002, 12:56 AM

How about replies from a True Christian (by definition, since I accept the Nicene Creed, etcetera etcetera) who isn't that particular user?

No kids, yet, but if I have 'em, they'll learn science as one of many possible tools, and evolution as the best theory (assuming, as I suspect is likely, that it's still the best theory.) We'll also expose them to the beautiful poetic language of Genesis, and explain how people used creation myths to explain a complicated world.

This doesn't mean we won't *also* teach them about religion, and why it can be an important or good thing. We'll also try to teach them what's *bad* about some religious attitudes, and try to steer them away from such things.

I hope they end up believing, but if they don't, well... that's free will for ya.

Born Free · 05-24-2002, 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by alli:
True christian

You say that you believe in the divine inspiration of the bible and that the lord revealed how he created the universe.

I wonder would you mind answering me this small question or at least attempt to answer it as honestly as you can. It's a very small thing as you will see but I can't find any christian that will reply to it.

In Genesis 1 chapters (26-30) god said and I quote;

"Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." 29 And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food."

Now I get puzzled somewhat when I read this because this is the very first chapter of genesis so it appears that god has already made man and woman in his own image yet if you look at genesis 2 (chapters 5-7) and again I quote;

"5 when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up--for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; 6 but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground-- 7 then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."

Would you have a think about it please and try to explain in your own words what this means??? That god has already made man and woman in his own image before, also how could woman be made in his own image when he is male??? Much obliged. I look forward to your reply.

Second attempt for true christian or any other to answer this.

seebs · 05-24-2002, 01:25 AM

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Originally posted by Perchance:

Ugh. The more I learn about the Bible, the more disgusting it gets.

You can make anything sound bad, quoted out of context...

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What's the most common way for 'True Christians' to weasel out of this one (not that I think not stoning your child is a BAD thing, mind you, but how do they claim to believe in the literal truth of the Bible and still not do this)?

On the off chance that you really want to know, and aren't just looking for ammunition to use against them:

The laws in Leviticus are generally disregarded entirely, because several New Testament passages claim that Christ "fulfilled" the law. Time and time again we are reminded that the law was to "prepare" us for Christ. Christians have only two commandments, really: Love God, and love thy neighbor as thyself. Everything else we're *actually* supposed to do follows from that.

Ah-hah!, you will say. You want to know why Christians always quote Leviticus when it *DOES* support them.

I dunno. H&R block sent me a nasty letter once citing a law that had been thrown out by the Supreme Court five years earlier. (I swore at them in email once. They cited the CDA.) People are dumb.

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seebs Contributor Join Date: May 2002 Location: Saint Paul, MN Posts: 24,524	How about replies from a True Christian (by definition, since I accept the Nicene Creed, etcetera etcetera) who isn't that particular user? No kids, yet, but if I have 'em, they'll learn science as one of many possible tools, and evolution as the best theory (assuming, as I suspect is likely, that it's still the best theory.) We'll also expose them to the beautiful poetic language of Genesis, and explain how people used creation myths to explain a complicated world. This doesn't mean we won't also teach them about religion, and why it can be an important or good thing. We'll also try to teach them what's bad about some religious attitudes, and try to steer them away from such things. I hope they end up believing, but if they don't, well... that's free will for ya.

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