geddit?

No, I do not bow to Mr bush, Mr Know It All.
You know where you can shove the condescension.

geddit?

No, he is adressing plain old statements made by popular left wingers, statements he quotes right there in his article. Look up Lind and Alterman.

Nor does he use the term anti-semitism once. But the case by the opposition revolves to some degree around catering to the jews in the mideast. One person on this board said we flat out bow to them.

Bottom line is you can't prove your case. Otherwise you would.

I don't need your bull to convince me Bush is an a-hole, but you didn't see that did you?

Zar

We can try to parry each other with cute quips or get to the issues.

Do you think that everyone out there in the world is fully informed? I'm not saying they're stupid, I'm saying they are ignorant -- as in "not informed." That means most people haven't looked into these guys philosphical background and probably will not. I myself am on a continuing journey with this, but at this point I am confident there are genuine issues here.

I'm not saying I have all the answers. I'm only saying that there are some people with ideas that are pretty clear, if you look, and that are quite worthy of debate. So we can debate the ideas but I hope you are not seriously denying the existence of the Project for the New American Century and the influence of philosophers like Leo Strauss. If you totally agree with everything they say (like I think someone like leonarde was honest enough to come out and say) that is fine. We can talk about that. But I'm not spending any more time playing games and pretending like these people and their ideas simply don't exist, and simply bear no discussion, because it is plain that they do.

I don't know where you are coming from exactly. You say you are against Bush, but that doesn't mean much to me. Why? Are you just playing Devil's advocate? Do you hold no opinion at this point and are just probing both sides for their opinions?

Ion

Yes, 'screw' my advice:

take it.
Where?

Ion

Pardon?

Did you say something?

Ion

geddit,

I will be away from this computer for a week, and I will check later the subsequent posts.