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Valentine Pontifex · 09-08-2002, 07:04 AM

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Originally posted by Zetek:
[QB]

The <a href="http://205.152.130.8/cv_web_1b.asp?ucase_id=12619523" target="_blank">docket</a> says he entered a not guilty plea and a trial date was set for November 12. Note that the defendant is representing himself. That should be a hoot!

(Edited to add: There's a hearing for Sept. 12 to determine if he's qualified to serve as his own attorney.)

I think we know of a "lawyer" who has a fool as a client.

tgamble · 09-08-2002, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by Unaffiliated:
I don't think it is likely they won't reduce the charges, but with this pinhead representing himself who knows. In any case he is in serious trouble

Good. I doubt he'll offer any defense other than "I'm doing Gawd's work", which won't get him very far. Maybe he'll get an atheist judge who's familar with his work...

Valentine Pontifex · 09-08-2002, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by Unaffiliated:


from

<a href="http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=XLV I#TitleXLVI" target="_blank">here</a>
The burglery, because he also commited an assault and battery, is a first degree felony and carries a maximum of life in prison and a fine of $15,000
The Battery is a first degree misdemeanor and carries a maximum of 1 year in prison, and a fine of $1000
The assault is a second degree misdemeanor and carries a maiximum of 60 days in jail and a fine of $500

I don't think it is likely they won't reduce the charges, but with this pinhead representing himself who knows. In any case he is in serious trouble

I have always felt that fines and prison time are out-of-wack with each other. These must be vestiges of a time when those dollar values were far more impressive.

But in any event, in these sort of cases I believe that the fine is far more common fate than the jail time. I really just don't see the maximums being applied for this case. And given the circumstances of the case, I really would not be big on jail time for someone other than Hovind, so I can't see how I could support it here. What he really deserved jail time on was the income taxes and his lying on the issue on forms and in court. But it was not done. :-(

Hey folks, is it possible to get his mug shot and post it on the web? That would be a hoot!

Valentine Pontifex · 09-08-2002, 07:29 AM

Folks,

Why would Hovind want to defend himself against the felony charges when he does have a lawyer?

"ROLLO , M" is his lawyer on the building code charge. See <a href="http://205.152.130.8/cv_web_1b.asp?ucase_id=62294168" target="_blank">this</a>.

Edited to add a note that this case is set to go to trial in October 14 with plea day on October 1. Is this not a bit strange? In any event, Hovind is going to be a bit busy for a while.

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: Valentine Pontifex ]

Valentine Pontifex · 09-08-2002, 07:55 AM

I just noticed something.

In the <a href="http://205.152.130.8/cv_web_1b.asp?ucase_id=12619523" target="_blank">court records page for his case</a> one can scroll "CHARGE NUMBER 3." This is the burglary charge. It was initially a second degree felony burglary. When the prosecuters got a hold of it it was increased to a first degree felony burglary: "BURGL - OCCUPIED CONVEYANCE AND UNARMED" to "BURGL-WITH ASSAULT OR BATTERY." It appears that the prosecuters planning to nail him as hard as they can.

I don't think he will get jailed and he can easily afford the max fines, so this will not put him out-of-business.

The question becomes: will convictions, if any are obtained, result in enough damage to his reputation to put him out of business.

Of course if he goes down, a dozen others will take his place...

Lizard · 09-08-2002, 01:48 PM

Dr. GH,

I couldn't find the police report you posted on the No Answers in Genesis site. I assume that's what you meant by NAig?

Do you have a URL for this?

Thanx.

ps418 · 09-08-2002, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Lizard:
Dr. GH,

I couldn't find the police report you posted on the No Answers in Genesis site. I assume that's what you meant by NAig?

Do you have a URL for this?

Thanx.

He was probably referring to the NAiG forum.

mfaber · 09-08-2002, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by Lizard:
Dr. GH,
I couldn't find the police report you posted on the No Answers in Genesis site. I assume that's what you meant by NAig?

Do you have a URL for this?

Thanx

Quote:

Originally posted by ps418:
He was probably referring to the NAiG forum.

Right you are and here it is:

<a href="http://members3.boardhost.com/john666/msg/28104.html" target="_blank">Mr. Bad Judgement Rides Again</a>
Dr. GH confirmed the report with the sheriff�s department.

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: mfaber ]

Camaban · 09-08-2002, 03:22 PM

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Maybe he'll get an atheist judge who's familar with his work...

Unfortuenately, any Athiest judge who's familiar with his work, etc wouldn't be allowed to judge him.

Judges are required by law to be impartial.

Pity.

Doubting Didymus · 09-08-2002, 06:33 PM

Waiiiit a minute.

If an atheist would not be allowed to judge him for fear of being negatively biased, wouldn't that apply in the reverse to christian judges?

[ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: Doubting Didymus ]

09-08-2002, 07:29 AM	#54
Valentine Pontifex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Orion Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 3,092	Folks, Why would Hovind want to defend himself against the felony charges when he does have a lawyer? "ROLLO , M" is his lawyer on the building code charge. See <a href="http://205.152.130.8/cv_web_1b.asp?ucase_id=62294168" target="_blank">this</a>. Edited to add a note that this case is set to go to trial in October 14 with plea day on October 1. Is this not a bit strange? In any event, Hovind is going to be a bit busy for a while. [ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: Valentine Pontifex ]</p>

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Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	Waiiiit a minute. If an atheist would not be allowed to judge him for fear of being negatively biased, wouldn't that apply in the reverse to christian judges? [ September 08, 2002: Message edited by: Doubting Didymus ]</p>

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09-08-2002, 07:55 AM	#55
Valentine Pontifex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Orion Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 3,092	I just noticed something. In the <a href="http://205.152.130.8/cv_web_1b.asp?ucase_id=12619523" target="_blank">court records page for his case</a> one can scroll "CHARGE NUMBER 3." This is the burglary charge. It was initially a second degree felony burglary. When the prosecuters got a hold of it it was increased to a first degree felony burglary: "BURGL - OCCUPIED CONVEYANCE AND UNARMED" to "BURGL-WITH ASSAULT OR BATTERY." It appears that the prosecuters planning to nail him as hard as they can. I don't think he will get jailed and he can easily afford the max fines, so this will not put him out-of-business. The question becomes: will convictions, if any are obtained, result in enough damage to his reputation to put him out of business. Of course if he goes down, a dozen others will take his place...

09-08-2002, 01:48 PM	#56
Lizard Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas Posts: 169	Dr. GH, I couldn't find the police report you posted on the No Answers in Genesis site. I assume that's what you meant by NAig? Do you have a URL for this? Thanx.

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