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Old 01-21-2003, 08:19 AM   #71
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As for the intelligence level of his apostles, I suggest you check out the Gospel of Mark. They weren't exactly depicted as rocket scientists.
All the more reason to believe the story, as Durant points out as well. Of course he didn't spend his days searching for minutiae to back up his pet theories, and applying absurd tests of veracity.

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I was repeating what my friend said in his sermon this past summer. He emailed me back that he had gotten the info from Walter Wink, and I posted that as soon as I received it.
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Radcliffe - learn to ignore Radorth's barbs. They mean more to him than to anyone else, and it's not worth your time to figure out what he's talking about. Thanks for posting the information.
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I see you both also ignored the post where I pointed out how creative Radcliff's memory is, and it's conflicts with Toto's cite. At the very least, we have two sets of totally inconsistent theories from supposedly "rational" people.

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The actions of the first "apostles" of any religion speak volumes about their leaders intent. They knew him, his demeanor, his kind or unkind acts, so I'll take their word and actions as superior commentary to your tendentious guesses FM.

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I'm not the one trying to guess what the apostles intended or not. That seems to be your speciality. Nor do I know whether their actions had to do with their leader's demeanor or whether it is due to the social situation they found in themselves in. In fact, I don't even consider the point even remotely relevant to the question at hand. This is just another tedious example of your travelling distraction show.

The only question is what the sword metaphor stood for. You haven't even tried to answer that question, probably because you can't. But I thank you for the amusing diversions.
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All the more reason to believe the story, as Durant points out as well. Of course he didn't spend his days searching for minutiae to back up his pet theories, and applying absurd tests of veracity.

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Ah, I see. First we should believe them because they weren't morons. Now, we should because they were morons. Make up your mind, Radoth -- these contradictory statements of yours are making me dizzy!
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"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." - Matthew 10:34-36 (KJV)
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Please explain to us how this famous passage does not represent violent imagery. And do try to keep in mind that the apostles actions after his death is quite irrelevant to the point.
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See the atheist H.G. Wells insightful quote above. For more insight on Jesus' purposes, read the link supplied. It seems a skeptic and an atheist have pretty well debunked your simplistic theories.

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See the atheist H.G. Wells insightful quote above. For more insight on Jesus' purposes, read the link supplied. It seems a skeptic and an atheist have pretty well debunked your simplistic theories.
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What theory? I haven't advanced one. That's been your thing, inbetween your contradictory posts. I'm just wondering two things. Can you explain how the following bible quote could be interpreted as non-violent?

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"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." - Matthew 10:34-36 (KJV)

And I wonder how many more inane, irrelevant posts you're willing to put on this thread before you actually bother to answer my questions.

I'm very patient, Radorth. I don't mind asking the same question until I get a real answer.
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What theory? I haven't advanced one.
No in your case cynical innuendo is sufficient, as with Doherty. And yes you do have an agenda here, to make Jesus no different from Muhammed.

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I'm very patient, Radorth.
No, stubborn. Wells, Durant and I have given you plenty of reasonable interpretations and options, but they are just too complicated for you. Meanwhile Radcliffe's tortured interpretations are reasonable to you apparently. If you would argue with them like one skeptic here did, you might get accused of something besides mere cynicism.

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