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eldar1011 · 05-07-2003, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by fatherphil
who among us does not use the advantages of our social position to cut through red tape when given the opportunity?
but he, i'll back out so as not to drag this discussion down because obviously i really do not see the level of importance you all have attached to the event.
pm me if you got something to say regarding it cause i'm out of here.

*That's* what you're gonna close with?

A unethical abuse of civil authority is justifiable for the sake of personal expediency?

Wow.

fatherphil · 05-07-2003, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by eldar1011
Actually, if it weren't for you, this thread would probably have focused on the issue at hand and not your evasive and non-responsive responses....and it's probably be a lot shorter.

please refocus on the issue at hand and pm me with whatever it is you guys want to discuss with me.

brighid · 05-07-2003, 12:56 PM

The focus on your comments does not take this topic off topic and therefore I personally see no need for a private discussion on the matter. If you chose not to address the comments in this thread regarding your thoughts and the rebuttals that is your choice.

The discussion, IMO is valuable. No doubt there are other people out there who share your point of view and therefore it is only proper to debate this subject out in the open where people can make their own conclusions about this, or any related issue. The public at large certainly won't benefit from a closed door discussion.

Brighid

fatherphil · 05-07-2003, 02:24 PM

well i thought so too but i was just respecting my eldars by not continuing on this thread.

Evangelion · 05-07-2003, 02:30 PM

From anyone here who supports the cop: please tell me why you think he decided to enter the school at 1:30 am, in order to view the class projects of children who live in a nation which prides itself on freedom of speech.

Thankyou.

fatherphil · 05-07-2003, 03:59 PM

cause that's when his shift ended

to avoid a confrontation

to insure he would have the freedom to view the work as it is presented in the classroom and photograph them with a minimum of distraction to himself or the class itself.

because it was expedient.

could be anyone or a combination of these reasons.

Optional · 05-07-2003, 04:06 PM

This whole debate is interesting. It can be seen as an analog to the entire war/anti-war debate, I think.

The fact is that the Iraqis were genuinely suffering under saddam.

The fact is that these projects were publicly displayed in a public building, so there's really nothing illegal about photographing them.

That seems to be all the pro-war/cop individual can see.

They don't understand that it is the circumstances surrounding the actions that are objectionable. It is the context that is wrong.

I've got nothing against offing saddam and his minions, but the way in which it happened was wrong.

I've got nothing against a member of the public photographing something that is publicly displayed in a public building, but the way in which it happened was wrong.

Interesting...

-me

Evangelion · 05-07-2003, 04:13 PM

Let's take that on board:

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cause that's when his shift ended

If so, would it not he been more sensible to wait until he had the power of (a) the honest sun on his side, and (b) the full force of his legal powersm ready to dispose as he saw fit.

Without legitimate access during legitimate hours, our cop becomes nothing more than a quasi-legal voeuyer.

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to avoid a confrontation

Did he expect one? If so, why?

Perhaps this fact alone is enough to tell us that he was up to no good!

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to insure he would have the freedom to view the work as it is presented in the classroom and photograph them with a minimum of distraction to himself or the class itself.

If he had taken the trouble to ask the children during their class tine, I'm sure that mutual satisfaction could have been achieved.

Instead, he sneaked his way into the school at the dead of night, as if this was absolutely essential to the examination of the children's work.

In seeking to identify their story, he has unwittingly constructed one of his own - and it's looking pretty creepy.

fatherphil · 05-07-2003, 10:16 PM

but suppose he did not want to disrupt the class or cause a disturbance during school hours?

is the biggest problem you have the hour he choose to do this?

August Spies · 05-07-2003, 10:25 PM

is the biggest problem you have the hour he choose to do this?

no. The biggest problem is he used his authority to ILLEGALLY sneak into a classroom (how come conservatives dont' care about legality when its convienent)

not to mention he was doing all these backwards stuff to photograph stuff without permission (prob 2) that he merely disagreed with (prob 3) even though it was all perfectly legal.

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05-07-2003, 12:56 PM	#43
brighid Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: somewhere in the known Universe Posts: 6,993	The focus on your comments does not take this topic off topic and therefore I personally see no need for a private discussion on the matter. If you chose not to address the comments in this thread regarding your thoughts and the rebuttals that is your choice. The discussion, IMO is valuable. No doubt there are other people out there who share your point of view and therefore it is only proper to debate this subject out in the open where people can make their own conclusions about this, or any related issue. The public at large certainly won't benefit from a closed door discussion. Brighid

05-07-2003, 02:24 PM	#44
fatherphil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: burbank Posts: 758	well i thought so too but i was just respecting my eldars by not continuing on this thread.

05-07-2003, 02:30 PM	#45
Evangelion Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Walsall, UK Posts: 1,490	From anyone here who supports the cop: please tell me why you think he decided to enter the school at 1:30 am, in order to view the class projects of children who live in a nation which prides itself on freedom of speech. Thankyou.

05-07-2003, 03:59 PM	#46
fatherphil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: burbank Posts: 758	cause that's when his shift ended to avoid a confrontation to insure he would have the freedom to view the work as it is presented in the classroom and photograph them with a minimum of distraction to himself or the class itself. because it was expedient. could be anyone or a combination of these reasons.

05-07-2003, 04:06 PM	#47
Optional Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 1,049	This whole debate is interesting. It can be seen as an analog to the entire war/anti-war debate, I think. The fact is that the Iraqis were genuinely suffering under saddam. The fact is that these projects were publicly displayed in a public building, so there's really nothing illegal about photographing them. That seems to be all the pro-war/cop individual can see. They don't understand that it is the circumstances surrounding the actions that are objectionable. It is the context that is wrong. I've got nothing against offing saddam and his minions, but the way in which it happened was wrong. I've got nothing against a member of the public photographing something that is publicly displayed in a public building, but the way in which it happened was wrong. Interesting... -me

05-07-2003, 10:16 PM	#49
fatherphil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: burbank Posts: 758	but suppose he did not want to disrupt the class or cause a disturbance during school hours? is the biggest problem you have the hour he choose to do this?

05-07-2003, 10:25 PM	#50
August Spies Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The Vine Posts: 12,950	is the biggest problem you have the hour he choose to do this? no. The biggest problem is he used his authority to ILLEGALLY sneak into a classroom (how come conservatives dont' care about legality when its convienent) not to mention he was doing all these backwards stuff to photograph stuff without permission (prob 2) that he merely disagreed with (prob 3) even though it was all perfectly legal.

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