lpetrich

This dating discussion is more suited for Evolution/Creation

But there is more to be said. Magus55, badfish, and many other fundies seem to view the results of science as something to used like the Bible, to be quoted selectively, with the awkward parts explained away.

But if the fundies change their mind about evolution, I'm sure that they'll be claiming that the Bible described evolution in gory detail long before Charles Darwin published his magnum opus.

Paperstreet

How can someone who has no degree in any field of science, has never read a legitimate science book, and has a biased backround actually go against every single competent scientist in the world?

There is no conspiracy to cover up every piece of evidence that the world is 6-10 thousand years old. Discovering something like that (legitimately) would make that scientist famous and rich beyond your imagination.

wade-w

I agree, lpetrich. Badfish and Magus, if you want to discuss dating techniques, do not hijack this thread; start another one in the appropriate forum. I'm sure the regulars in the E/C forum would love to discuss it with you.

Let's get this thread back on track.

Calzaer

Thank you for completely ignoring my post, Badfish, I appreciate it. Can you PLEASE explain to me how the Tao is an offshoot of Sky Fairy? It's at least as old, and there are a whole buncha taoists around...
Ditto for Hindus.

Oh, and:
So how's that Egypt-Isreal-Assyria alliance coming along? (Isaiah 19:23-24) Since it never existed, I assume you believe Assyria will rise from the Dead Country Bin just so this prophesy can be fulfilled?

Still waiting for the Nile to dry up, too. (Ezekiel 30:12).

And, um, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the messiah supposed to have been called "Emmanuel" at some point, and kick the crap out of Assyria? (Isaiah 7:14 and Micha 5:6, as referenced in Matthew 2:5-6)

Yeah, love the "realizing fulfilled prophesy" here. There's at least 90 Biblical prophecies that were never fulfilled. Isn't there a verse somewhere about how to tell who is a flase prophet? Ah, yes, here it is: "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." (Deuteronomy 18:22)

And what should we do to him? "But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die." (Deuteronomy 18:20)

Magus55

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Calzaer

Assyria is modern day Iraq. If the prophets said Iraq would ally with Israel, people wouldn't have the foggiest clue what they were talking about for thousands of years. So yes, considering the events that are taking place right now and President Bush's "roadmap to peace" in the middle east, it shouldn't be too long before this prophecy is fulfilled.

Spaz

Wait wait, isn't the one that's supposed to bring peace to the middle east be a liar and the antichrist? Somebody said that...

Calzaer

Magus: Right. So I'm supposed to believe IRAQ, home to a largely MUSLIM population, is going to ally with ISREAL. Forgetting that Egypt wouldn't be caught dead in public with either of them.

How's that "Dry up the Nile" project going?

TealVeal

Don't you understand? It's all very clearly prophesised. Iraq will be allying with israel whether they like it or not, forward christian soldiers your Liar In Chief sends you forth!

Treacle Worshipper

Magus,
Sorry for the delay in replying, I've been away.

Originally posted by Magus55
It becomes infinite because you can never do anything to pay back the offense.
I thought it was the other way round - because the offence is infinite, we cannot pay it back. But I'll go with you.

For example. Why do we put different amounts of time on prison sentences or criminal offenses? There is life in prison, 30 years, 20 years, 10 years, a month etc. Those are the times that the government has deemed necessary for the offender to have to endure, in order to pay back the debt to society for his crimes. After the person is released ( except in the case of life), they go free because they have paid their debt to society and faced the consequences for their actions. When you commit a crime (sin) against God, there is no amount of time you can put in that can ever pay that debt back to God.
As you say here, the punishment is dependent on the severity of the crime. If that is so, then what I said above is true - because the crime is so severe we cannot make reparation. But that doesn't get me any closer to understanding why the crime is considered so severe in the first place.

No one can do anything on their own good enough for God. He is perfect, and anything that isn't perfect goes against His nature.
Doesn't that mean that every single thing we do is sinful?

Therefore, you are infinitely in debt for your sins, because its impossible, no matter what you physically do to ever reconcile your actions against God.
I understand that this follows if you think that we commit infinite crimes worthy of infinite punishment.
What I still don't understand is why a crime committed in a finite time is considered infinite in the first place.

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I don't know if that made any more sense or not, but I tried.
And I do appreciate it.

I'm sure you don't agree with it but thats the best explanation i can offer.
Magus, if Xnity (or any other religion) made sense to me, I would have no hesitation about joining. But none of them do.
TW

Paperstreet

Good point. That means that any imperfect thing we do, (which is every action we take, like breathing, talking, thinking, sleeping, even praying) is not up to standard with God. We don't do anything perfectly, so living is a sin.